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Post by Bamafan on May 27, 2013 3:33:53 GMT
My question is how we got to this in the "New DVD?" Thread! :2fun:
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Post by Libby on May 27, 2013 7:07:37 GMT
Well, I don't want to quarrel, for sure, and don't really want to break from this forum. Obviously I couldn't stay away for long. I'm just a little frustrated at the moment. At the very least, I'm hoping these discussions will die down until we get the album and the media hype starts for the baby. I'm glad you like Enya, but I still feel that her voice is the highlight of her music, though I like everything about it. Everything about her music is "Enya". She does very few cover songs, and those she does I like tremendously. Sorry for getting us so far off-topic.  |
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Post by Richard on May 27, 2013 8:08:09 GMT
My question is how we got to this in the "New DVD?" Thread! I was wondering the same thing, so after a lot of head scratching I've moved the discussion to this thread, which seems more appropriate. Richard  |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 4, 2013 6:27:55 GMT
Not wanting to restart the row on the eternal appeal of lullabies; just a question some of you might consider: can you name a single person in the whole of history who is famous and renowned for singing lullabies? I know I can't. The point is that they are passed down from generation to generation and sung by parents to their children. No-one puts an album of lullabies on and leaves their kid to it. Or am I wrong? HAS anyone here either been lullabied by album or done so to their own children? (You're still not alone in thinking what you think, Libby, however occasional my own presence may be  |
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Post by Dave on Jun 4, 2013 15:21:06 GMT
Hi Elliott,
It's not music for babies though, we know that because Jon Cohen the producer has already explained it. The intended audience seems to be adults who sometimes like sitting back to listen to delicate and relaxing music. And if it hasn't been done before, you might then describe it as innovative. Risky, yes - but innovative.
Once I got over my initial surprise about the theme, I tried to forget that, waited for the samples and since then have tried to judge it by the quality of its music and production. For me, based on the samples (which are lengthy), it has not been found wanting.
The theme and song choices clearly are not what some fans had hoped for but as I said, it's innovative and as such, it would inevitably be, as Hayley has said, like marmite. Love it or hate it - initially anyway (I am told that it is possible to grow to like marmite, eventually!). I give Hayley full credit for trying something different and I don't buy the idea that I've seen suggested that she was pressured into it, even if it wasn't initially her own idea, I just hope it comes off. The jury is out on that at the moment but it's certainly very much possible that it will be successful, in my opinion.
As for the theme of this thread, Hayley's musical direction, well I don't think we can read anything into that, from this album. She has said many times that she considers herself to be just a singer; she clearly won't be pigeonholed and I commend her for that. Therefore, I think her next album after this one could be almost anything other than hard rock! And the more successful Hushabye is, the more freedom Hayley will have to do her own thing next time round.
Cheers, Dave
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 4, 2013 15:42:23 GMT
After this, Dave, I wouldn't even rule out Hard Rock for Hayley's next album, honestly. You need an amazing voice to sing Hard Rock well, and Hayley would not be found wanting there! I'd greatly prefer that to lullabies, in fact. Hayley singing songs like those of Winter In Eden or Sonata Arctica would be utterly amazing (OK, Power metal, but her voice would be amazing for that). I definitely agree with you that we cannot read anything into this album about Hayley's future direction, which remains totally opaque right now. As for the rest, well, obviously I don't wish Hayley any lack of success. Any artist who can't turn out an album I hate sooner or later isn't trying hard enough!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 17:06:25 GMT
After this, Dave, I wouldn't even rule out Hard Rock for Hayley's next album, honestly. You need an amazing voice to sing Hard Rock well, and Hayley would not be found wanting there! I'd greatly prefer that to lullabies, in fact. Hayley singing songs like those of Winter In Eden or Sonata Arctica would be utterly amazing (OK, Power metal, but her voice would be amazing for that). Hi Elliot. As I've expressed before, I certainly would love to hear Hayley sing something in that direction too. I think the chances of full-on power metal would be highly unlikely, but she would be great for it. Her voice has alot of power, but she sings softly more often. It would be quite the opposite of Hushabye -Rory |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 4, 2013 17:44:31 GMT
Rory, Yes, it would  Hayley having one of (& possibly the) strongest female voices out there, I love the idea of what she might do if she unleashed her full vocal power. That definitely appeals to me a lot! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 18:23:44 GMT
Rory, Yes, it would Hayley having one of (& possibly the) strongest female voices out there, I love the idea of what she might do if she unleashed her full vocal power. That definitely appeals to me a lot! Well fortunately she's still quite young, so if we just keep our hopes up, likely everyone's dream album can exist somewhere in the future -Rory |
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Post by martindn on Jun 4, 2013 18:50:03 GMT
Hayley is full of surprises. If you don't realise that by now you should. She likes to surprise her fans, and likes to keep us guessing. She dares to be different, then others try to catch up.
I wouldn't rule anything out except perhaps a consistent direction.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 19:08:35 GMT
Hayley is full of surprises. If you don't realise that by now you should. She likes to surprise her fans, and likes to keep us guessing. She dares to be different, then others try to catch up. I wouldn't rule anything out except perhaps a consistent direction. Martin D Oh I know she is. I'm just worried about what her production/management will let her do. I don't know what kind of deal she has, but hopefully she's still free to make an album exactly her way if she wants to -Rory |
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Post by Jillian on Jun 4, 2013 23:41:43 GMT
Rory, Yes, it would Hayley having one of (& possibly the) strongest female voices out there, I love the idea of what she might do if she unleashed her full vocal power. That definitely appeals to me a lot! I know! It's funny, because whenever Hayley busts out big notes, I sit up and think 'woah, I wasn't expecting that!' I was blown away by the strength of Hayley's voice when I saw her live. For some reason, it often doesn't translate onto Hayley's recordings. |
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Post by Libby on Jun 5, 2013 4:16:26 GMT
Hi Elliott, It's not music for babies though, we know that because Jon Cohen the producer has already explained it. The intended audience seems to be adults who sometimes like sitting back to listen to delicate and relaxing music. And if it hasn't been done before, you might then describe it as innovative. Risky, yes - but innovative. Once I got over my initial surprise about the theme, I tried to forget that, waited for the samples and since then have tried to judge it by the quality of its music and production. For me, based on the samples (which are lengthy), it has not been found wanting. The theme and song choices clearly are not what some fans had hoped for but as I said, it's innovative and as such, it would inevitably be, as Hayley has said, like marmite. Love it or hate it - initially anyway (I am told that it is possible to grow to like marmite, eventually!). I give Hayley full credit for trying something different and I don't buy the idea that I've seen suggested that she was pressured into it, even if it wasn't initially her own idea, I just hope it comes off. The jury is out on that at the moment but it's certainly very much possible that it will be successful, in my opinion. As for the theme of this thread, Hayley's musical direction, well I don't think we can read anything into that, from this album. She has said many times that she considers herself to be just a singer; she clearly won't be pigeonholed and I commend her for that. Therefore, I think her next album after this one could be almost anything other than hard rock! And the more successful Hushabye is, the more freedom Hayley will have to do her own thing next time round. Cheers, Dave Just because Jon Cohen said it wasn't for babies, because that's his opinion, doesn't necessarily make it so. Some members here are not buying it... literally!  And that's not a good thing. To say that it's not an album for babies, but for adults who have babies (or grandbabies), is not much of a difference at all. I don't know this for a fact, but I seriously doubt that most people who don't have kids, or at least not little kids at the moment, would listen to a lullaby on their own, without having a young child they need to entertain with it. So, in that case, that makes it an album for babies, and adults with babies. There are always exceptions to every rule, and many of you are that exception. And that's mainly because you're avid Hayley fans, is it not? If it wasn't Hayley, would you be interested in it? Because I certainly wouldn't. I doubt Hayley would ever really do a complete rock album. Though if she did a track or 2 that would be considered rock, I bet it would be more along the lines of Evanescence, the kind that's rock, but with a softer, beautiful-sounding voice to go with it. You can probably forget about metal. I'm kind of with Dave that she probably won't ever do rock, but I think she's more likely to do that than rap, or something. And no, those Science guys (forgot their title) don't count, because she didn't actually rap. |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 5, 2013 12:20:18 GMT
Just because Jon Cohen said it wasn't for babies, because that's his opinion, doesn't necessarily make it so. Some members here are not buying it... literally! And that's not a good thing. To say that it's not an album for babies, but for adults who have babies (or grandbabies), is not much of a difference at all. I don't know this for a fact, but I seriously doubt that most people who don't have kids, or at least not little kids at the moment, would listen to a lullaby on their own, without having a young child they need to entertain with it. So, in that case, that makes it an album for babies, and adults with babies. There are always exceptions to every rule, and many of you are that exception. And that's mainly because you're avid Hayley fans, is it not? If it wasn't Hayley, would you be interested in it? Because I certainly wouldn't. You found the words I couldn't I agree with this! It does seem unlikely, but I live in hope! I agree. Rock, whether or not it would fit with Hayley's plans in any way (And I have to agree a full on Rock album is incredibly unlikely, unfortunately), would at least allow her to sing. Rap, I cannot see her doing because it would not. Rory, Yes, it would Hayley having one of (& possibly the) strongest female voices out there, I love the idea of what she might do if she unleashed her full vocal power. That definitely appeals to me a lot! I know! It's funny, because whenever Hayley busts out big notes, I sit up and think 'woah, I wasn't expecting that!' I was blown away by the strength of Hayley's voice when I saw her live. For some reason, it often doesn't translate onto Hayley's recordings. The power of her voice has absolutely stunned me, sometimes. I really love it when she does that, though! The fact that she can do soft and sweet one moment, then shake the windows on the next and stay perfectly tuneful throughout just shows how good she really is, IMO. |
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Post by Libby on Jun 6, 2013 6:00:33 GMT
I wouldn't mind her doing a little rock, but I'm personally a little sick of themed albums, so I would hope it would be mixed in with other styles, if at all. But still no heavy metal. |
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And that's not a good thing. To say that it's not an album for babies, but for adults who have babies (or grandbabies), is not much of a difference at all. I don't know this for a fact, but I seriously doubt that most people who don't have kids, or at least not little kids at the moment, would listen to a lullaby on their own, without having a young child they need to entertain with it. So, in that case, that makes it an album for babies, and adults with babies. There are always exceptions to every rule, and many of you are that exception. And that's mainly because you're avid Hayley fans, is it not? If it wasn't Hayley, would you be interested in it? Because I certainly wouldn't.