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Post by canuck on Dec 20, 2010 2:20:14 GMT
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Post by stevemacdonald on Dec 23, 2010 8:41:09 GMT
Before we go any further, what are her first and last names? You call her "Hitoto Yo" while on YouTube everyone is referring to her as "Yo Hitoto." As a fan of Westenra Hayley you can see why this concerns me.
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Post by martindn on Dec 23, 2010 20:37:22 GMT
AKA Dogwood Flower, as performed by Hayley on HSJS. She certainly doen't have Hayley's pitch control, but who does? I actually made myself a CD of the orginal Japanese versions of the songs on HSJS2, in the correct order, found all but 2 of them. It's interesting but there is no song there that I wouldn't rather hear sung by Hayley. I'd say forget it and buy HSJS. Martin D |
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Post by canuck on Dec 23, 2010 23:38:07 GMT
I'd say forget it and buy HSJS. . . AKA Hanamizuki. Here is my personal favorite version www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv2is5M5H2Q&hd=1Just thought people might like to hear it done by the person who made the song famous, in the language it was written in. It was written after 911 by Hitoto Yo and other than Morai Naki is her biggest hit to date. I'm certainly not comparing her to Hayley, but since Hayley is singing Japanese songs, some might like to hear them done by the original artists, and live, not studio versions. Just like Nada SouSou, written by Begin, and made famous by Rimi Natsukawa who is a Japanese folk singer. Two completely different versions. Here is Rimi's version, www.youtube.com/watch?v=76cBt4-1c8AWithout the likes of Hitoto Yo, and others, there would be no HSJS. Try to show a little respect. Cheers. |
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Post by martindn on Dec 24, 2010 0:04:54 GMT
Hi Canuck,
Not disrepecting her at all. She is who she is, and it is lovely to hear the original versions of these songs. So thanks for that. I did mention that I went to the trouble of tracking down as many of the originals from HSJS2 as I could find, a fascinating project. I could do the same with HSJS1, and you would have helped.
But to be fair there is only one Hayley, the finest singer I have ever heard and perhaps the finest of all time. You have to respect that too. What she did with those Japanese songs was stunning, she improved on every one of them.
In fact unlike many of the singers on karaoke shows like the X Factor in the UK (I expect you must suffer Simon Cowell in some form where you are) if Hayley covers a song it is always an improvemnt on the original, not an inferior version as in so many cases.
And this site is about Hayley.
So I'm glad you posted that, it was interesting to listen to. But she is no Hayley. But that's not a real criticism, since it is unfair to compare anyone else with Hayley in the same way that you can't compare a candle with the sun (apologies to Bob Dylan).
Martin D
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Post by canuck on Dec 24, 2010 0:07:04 GMT
Before we go any further, what are her first and last names? You call her "Hitoto Yo" while on YouTube everyone is referring to her as "Yo Hitoto." As a fan of Westenra Hayley you can see why this concerns me. Hi Steve, hope this helps. . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo_Hitoto |
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Post by canuck on Dec 24, 2010 0:41:16 GMT
Hi Martin, I know you are one of Hayley's biggest fans, so am I, and I agree with this being a site about Hayley. But this is the 'other music' board, and this thread should be welcomed with open arms. Finally a chance to get behind the music on HSJS. Nowhere on this site did I see a single thread about the Japanese influence on Hayley's career. Everyone loves HSJS, but what about the Japanese side?. We don't have a thread for that. So I started one. Some people might care. Stay tuned, and have yourself a Merry Christmas.  P.S. I may have to rename this thread if it will involve other artists. Or maybe I'll start a new one. We'll see. |
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Post by stevemacdonald on Dec 24, 2010 9:04:43 GMT
Before we go any further, what are her first and last names? You call her "Hitoto Yo" while on YouTube everyone is referring to her as "Yo Hitoto." As a fan of Westenra Hayley you can see why this concerns me. Hi Steve, hope this helps. . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo_HitotoYes it helps, and it refers to her as Yo Hitoto. If you're thinking about renaming this thread one way would be to switch around the names.  |
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Post by canuck on Dec 24, 2010 16:12:07 GMT
Hi Steve, 'Hitoto' is her mother's maiden name, which she adopted when she came back to Japan from Taipei at a very young age. 'Yan Yao' is her proper Chinese name. This link should clear it up for you. It would appear the same rules apply in Japan.. www.experiencefestival.com/a/Chinese_name/id/1966892'Hitoto Yo' is the 'proper' name to use, imo. I'm simply showing respect for her culture, although in the West she could be referred to as 'Yo Hitoto', as she is on many sites such as on YouTube or even her main website (which also caters to an international audience). Note there are many videos on YouTube that have 'Hitoto Yo' as the tag as well. www.wordiq.com/definition/Hitoto_Yowiki.jpopstop.com/wiki/Hitoto_YoAll the best to you and yours for the Holidays, and Merry Christmas. Wayne |
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Post by Dave on Dec 24, 2010 17:17:06 GMT
P.S. I may have to rename this thread if it will involve other artists. Or maybe I'll start a new one. We'll see. Hi Wayne, As more than 24 hours has elapsed since you started the thread, you will not be able to rename it. So if you do decide on a better name, just post the details and I or one of the other moderators will do it for you. I do agree with you that we should take care to respect original versions of Hayley's marvellous Japanese songs, whichever we think subjectively are better. We (and Hayley) are in their debt.  Cheers, Dave |
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Post by martindn on Dec 24, 2010 18:10:12 GMT
Hi Canuck,
I think what I was trying to say is that I share your interest in the origins of these songs, and how Hayley has been affected by Japanese music and culture. If you would like me to, I can post a list of the tracks I used to make up my "The Original HSJS2" album. I haven't done the same for HSJS1 though, and it would be an interesting exercise.
Martin D
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Post by canuck on Dec 24, 2010 23:53:06 GMT
Hello, Dave, thank you for the thoughtful reply, and I appreciate the offer of help. And Martin, that would be great. As I go, I will be posting links to the videos (if they exist) to those songs as well. Thank you for the offer. You see, I'm sure if it wasn't for Hayley I never would have discovered these artists or their music. It was during my search of 'Moon Represents my Heart' and Nada Soso (after watching her at the World Games) that I discovered Teresa Teng, Natsukawa Rimi, Hitoto Yo, Enomoto Kurumi (a bit of a pop/rock edge to her music), Akko (from My Little Lover), Alan (who does a wonderful Chinese version of Nada Soso, I might add) and others, and I became a big fan of the music. I think my music universe just got bigger (and certainly more diverse i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif) because of Hayley and her gutsy move to try that song for her duet in front of probably 100,000 or more. To say I was impressed is a huge understatement. Even Shin was blown away, as he stated in an interview I saw somewhere on the internet (wish I had the link). He said something to the effect of being a bit intimidated by Hayley and his duet with her. To me, that spoke volumes of Hayley's reputation in the music world. I mean, Shin is no slouch, he is pretty popular in Taiwan and he was singing in front of 'the home crowd' so to speak. For him to say that really got my attention. Did you see him hooting at the end of the song? He was obvioulsly very impressed with Hayley's performance and was letting the crowd know it. I also showed the video to a Chinese friend of mine and he told me he understood Hayley perfectly, and her pronunciation was pretty much perfect. He also was impressed. FYI, did you know that Hayley is the only singer to record 'Nada Soso' in English ? ( let alone perform it in front of a crowd that size). The whole point of this for me is to try and introduce people to the original artists behind HSJS and their music. Not to compare in any way. I think it's perfectly fine to love more than one genre (or language) of music, it's a win/win. I mean besides Hayley, I'm also a big fan of AC/DC as well as Dire Straits, the Rankins, and Celtic Woman, to name a few. Now I can add Hitoto Yo, et al, to the list. Maybe others will too. Take Care and Merry Christmas to All ! P.S. Earlier I referred to the song 'Nada Soso' as 'Nada SouSou'. It does appear both ways on the internet, but I believe 'Nada Soso' is the proper title.. My apologies. |
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Post by Dennis S. on Dec 25, 2010 3:12:37 GMT
P.S. Earlier I referred to the song 'Nada Soso' as 'Nada SouSou'. It does appear both ways on the internet, but I believe 'Nada Soso' is the proper title.. My apologies. Just FYI, there's no "correct" way to romanize Japanese/Chinese characters, we can only approximate them by how they're pronounced. So both Nada SouSou and Nada SoSo can work. |
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Post by martindn on Dec 25, 2010 18:54:35 GMT
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Post by canuck on Dec 26, 2010 1:24:26 GMT
Hi Dennis,
Thank you for clarifying that. At first I spelled it 'Nada SouSou', because that is how I first saw it, and that's how it appears on many sites. Then I came to believe 'Nada Soso' was the correct title after taking a closer look at the tracklist on HSJS (and I hadn't seen anything that told me they were both okay)...until now.
Thanks again.
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