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Post by martindn on May 3, 2010 18:41:26 GMT
Hi Larry, The opposeite of Right is Left when you are talking about roads, not "wrong"   Martin D |
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Post by nicola on May 3, 2010 20:18:09 GMT
There are many artists in my collection that I have the "full set" of - not just Hayley. And I'm sure that if any of these artists were more accessible in the UK, I would see them live just as many times as I see Hayley - but Hayley is always around, and at a reasonable price (was thinking of seeing Andrea Bocelli in November, until I saw the price of £140 - or £80 for seats right at the back of the O2). I don't do the different editions of CDs thing. It's a rip off. It actually makes me angry - but unfortunately, it's to be expected of international artists. Different markets need different products. If I actually updated that list on a weekly basis - it would always change. I haven't changed it in six months though. I think I would have easily said Sarah is my favourite five years ago, but not now. Know too many artists, and admire many different ones for different reasons. They aren't really comparable to me. Some artists are just perfect for certain moods and needs at different times. Hayley has her own "need" and "mood" in my life, and that's what makes me a fan of her. But there's plenty of room for lots of other artists in my world. |
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Post by larryhauck on May 3, 2010 23:51:16 GMT
Hi Nicola
I always buy the European version of Hayley's music. They seem to have a bit more sophistication to them than the U S version. So I guess we yanks are not thought of to be as sophisticated as Europeans.
Well I suppose that if you judge us by our current music than I can understand why. Where else would a pretty young girl with a voice as thin as tissue paper sell millions of recordings. I won't mention her name but I suppose you can guess it easily.
Larry
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Post by Elliot Kane on May 4, 2010 1:31:36 GMT
I have as much of Hayley's output as I can find/reasonably get hold of, but the same is true of quite a lot of other artists. I am an inveterate hoarder when it comes to music I definitely agree with Nicola about multiple international editions of the same album. Far too much of the time the difference (With many artists, not just Hayley) is a matter of one song added or a slightly different track order. It's truly annoying, especially when they wait a month or two after the first release, then throw out the variants in the hope and expectation that the fans will then pay full price for a second album, most of which they already have. It would be different if they included a lot of new songs, performance DVDs, etc - a lot of new content to make it worth buying - but they don't. Hmmm... Maybe Hayley means more to me than I originally thought. If most artists pulled the kind of tricks with multiple editions and foreign only releases that Hayley's record company make her endure, I'd be REALLY annoyed at the artist for letting them do that. It amounts to fan abuse, after all. But with Hayley... I guess I can't blame anyone whose voice sounds as beautiful as hers... I am such a sucker for a good singing voice!  |
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Post by Libby on May 4, 2010 5:12:09 GMT
Go ahead, Grant, you can not only borrow it, you can keep it.  Martin, I'm better at words and sounds, too. Hayley's music is most important, but I do love seeing photos of her, especially when she's wearing a nice dress/outfit. I love her photo shoots and red carpet shots especially. She always strikes the best poses. |
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Post by nicola on May 4, 2010 10:34:07 GMT
They do not release multiple editions to "abuse" fans, or with the specific idea that fans will buy multiple copies. I imagine the tiny percentage of fans that do that would make the exercise incredibly unworthwhile. The multiple editions arise with international artists because different countries have different tastes, or need slight varient of tracklisting to make it work. Hayley's UK editions often have a lot more classical music on them, so they can qualify for our classical charts, for example. The Japanese markets need bonus tracks as it's a hell of a lot cheaper for Japan to buy imports, so they need incentive to buy their own editions.
What I think are rip offs is when there is a re-release of the same album in the same country. e.g. Katherine's special edition of 'Believe' that has two extra songs on it. That's ripping us off.
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Post by Elliot Kane on May 4, 2010 10:44:10 GMT
Nioola...
On this we completely agree.
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Post by Dave on May 4, 2010 14:15:44 GMT
They do not release multiple editions to "abuse" fans, or with the specific idea that fans will buy multiple copies. I imagine the tiny percentage of fans that do that would make the exercise incredibly unworthwhile. The multiple editions arise with international artists because different countries have different tastes, or need slight varient of tracklisting to make it work. Hayley's UK editions often have a lot more classical music on them, so they can qualify for our classical charts, for example. The Japanese markets need bonus tracks as it's a hell of a lot cheaper for Japan to buy imports, so they need incentive to buy their own editions. What I think are rip offs is when there is a re-release of the same album in the same country. e.g. Katherine's special edition of 'Believe' that has two extra songs on it. That's ripping us off. Hi Nicola, I agree with the first part of your analysis completely, those of us who frequent fan sites and forums and who buy multiple versions of a release are far fewer in number (in my opinion) than the extra CD sales that can be generated by tailoring the release to the tastes of different Countries. Although sometimes, I think the record companies get it wrong and make too many changes to the core tracks, the ones preferred by the artist. But I think similar considerations apply to most special editions, they are trying to mop up the casual/impulse buyers, who see it on the shelves and who missed it the first time round. Fans who buy multiple versions are a nice bonus for them but I don't think are the main object of the exercise as there are not enough of them (us). Bcak on topic, what does Hayley mean to me? Well I love the tone of her voice, the accuracy of her delivery (she sings in tune!) her style - and her stubborn-ness. She just does her own thing and has stuck to her principles, rarely if ever allowing herself to be seriously manipulated by record company, media or even management, as so many pop (including classical crossover) singers have done. That approach may have cost her, in terms of outright popularity and record sales - but it's the way I would hope that any of my family or friends who entered showbiz would do it. She seems to have created a nice long-lasting and somewhat "niche" singing career for herself along the way, one that will probably out-last most of the "here today, gone 3 years later" pop chart/TV sensations that seem to be commonplace these days. Absolute record sales numbers aren't everything, it would seem - Hayley has, I think, survived the collapse in record sales that soon "takes out" so many others in her industry. Cheers, Dave |
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