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Post by martindn on Sept 20, 2010 21:11:57 GMT
Yes, I agree. I don't accept that "opera" singers are better than singers from other genres. This is often implied yet to my ears opera is a very specialised and acquired taste. Opera singers have certain characteristics, lots of power and an ability to project their voices, but not necessarily great range or control. And I too hate excessive vibrato, and above all screeching sopranos.
I think I would be horrified if Hayley decided to embark on operatic training. All that beautiful delicacy of expression, her fabulous expressiveness that comes from her own personality, her originality, would be lost. I much rather a singer express him/herself freely than be constrained within the limits of a particular style.
Opera can be enjoyable (I draw the line at Wagner) but its singers are limited. The best singers (like Hayley) demean themselves if they submit to those limits. (IMO of course)
Martin D
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Post by milewalker on Sept 21, 2010 19:00:54 GMT
Heh Martin D - I am minded of a review I once read of a notable soprano - I wont give her name - "she is the kind of soprano that stomps the roses, rather than tends the garden"  |
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Post by nicola on Sept 28, 2010 14:02:18 GMT
Have recently added Taylor Caruso Kirk, Hollie Steel and Mario Frangoulis to the site. Am about to write up an article on Fiona Pears's new DVD with the bears.  |
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Post by Richard on Sept 28, 2010 14:21:43 GMT
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Post by nicola on Sept 28, 2010 14:49:13 GMT
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Post by Natasha on Sept 28, 2010 20:37:58 GMT
Yes, I agree. I don't accept that "opera" singers are better than singers from other genres. Opera singers have certain characteristics... but not necessarily great range or control Absolutely have to disagree with this. Opera singers have the most phenomenal range and control of all singers. Technically speaking they are the best vocalists around. Of course what listeners perceive to be beautiful or not is a very personal matter. I am considering pursing my masters degree in opera performance and even I must admit that, while I love sopranos like Anna Netrebko and Jessye Norman, they are not the staple of what I listen to. I often choose to listen to popular music or less trained voices instead, like Hayley or Celtic Woman or Lea Michele of Glee (my current obsession!). Opera is without a doubt an acquired taste; I once shuddered at the idea of ever sounding like an opera singer and now (while I love singing other styles) I would be lost without that sound. Just keep an open mind and you may surprised to find yourself actually liking some of it Anyways, sorry for that long digression of topic on this thread. Nicola has done a great job on this site, I know how hard it is to try and keep something up and she deserves many kudos. |
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Post by nicola on Sept 28, 2010 21:55:23 GMT
I'm in agreement with you, Natasha.
And by the way:
She's awesome! I listen to her version of 'Rain on My Parade' over and over in fascination! She's just incredible. I listen to so many classically influenced singers that the lack of vibrato in her voice irritated me at first but I'm totally into Glee, and she's my favourite character and voice (though Kurt it also exceptional!)
Thanks so much. <3 Did you receive my message by the way? I am awaiting your approval. If you disagree with me, just say so, you know yourself better than I do?
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Post by Natasha on Sept 28, 2010 22:03:53 GMT
just responded |
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Post by nicola on Oct 10, 2010 13:59:27 GMT
A link to Classical Crossover concert dates for all of our profiled artists! You can order the table by title or artist name, as well as date. You can also visit the artist's profile to find a link to all of their dates alone. The concert listings are worldwide. Anyone is welcome to add any missing dates, but your entries need to be verified by an admin first. www.classical-crossover.co.uk/concert-list.html |
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Post by nicola on Oct 16, 2010 9:16:20 GMT
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Post by mihizawi on Oct 16, 2010 15:20:56 GMT
Hi Nicola annd everyone else, I don't want to reopen the discussion about what is and what isn't Classical Crossover, as much as I considered it very interesting, but I think all the points and opinions were made very clearly. So, I am aware that you wouldn't consider this case totally inside of Classical Crossover, and I must agree that the repertoire and the general idea of the albums doesn't match exactly the characteristics typical of Classical Crossover. But as I found this case extremely interesting and certainly it has connection with Classical Crossover, I thought I would comment it here. I found it particularly interesting because it is a case of "Crossing over", but the opposite way it is usually done in some cases of Classical Crossover. Also, it is even more particular because it involves a VERY big name. I am talking about Sting, the former lead-singer and bass player of the Police, who has achieved also fame as a solo artist. His main genre has been Classic Rock, typical of the 80s... Few months ago, however, I found myself amazed and surprised by finding this video: Sting and Edin Karazamov - Come Again. After some research, I found out it wasn't just a matter of one performance. Indeed, I was shocked to found out this "old rocker" has recorded a whole album dedicated to 16th century music, playing the lute himself, and that the label was actually Deutsche Gramophon. With this, Sting has proved that music has no limits, and I applaud him for that. And I personally enjoy pretty much the result, very diffefrent to what would sound in a trained voice, but it is very noticeable that Sting is a great musician and that he has done some work to achieve a sound he considers appropiate for that music. Also, it is very brave from him commercially to release this album, with such an obscure repertoire. Michal |
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Post by joanne on Oct 16, 2010 16:03:31 GMT
Oh Nicola, I meant to ask, are you going to be adding Elysium III to your site? Do they fall under classical crossover, by the way? Thanks.
cheers,
Joane
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Post by nicola on Oct 17, 2010 15:15:44 GMT
I barely know who they are, I know they sang on the CC charity single 'The Prayer'. Do you know anything about them, and what their links are for social sites and official website?
Michal, Sting is not the only artist do undergo that type of project. Paul McCartney has released classical albums. Darius has also taken to the opera stage! XD
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Post by martindn on Oct 17, 2010 18:04:38 GMT
Not to mention Mike Oldfield!!!
Martin D
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Post by milewalker on Oct 17, 2010 18:40:44 GMT
It wouldnt be hard to stretch the genre all out of shape. For example, virtually anything the Moody Blues did in their early years could be construed to be crossover. Not only them during that time frame - there was a lot of classically based rock within a few years of 1972 or so
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