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Post by grant on Jun 5, 2009 18:26:19 GMT
Hello everyone I'm surprised that no one has yet mentioned this, but one of the original 70 copies of "Walking In The Air" sold on Ebay in the early hours of this morning HEREThe winning bidder payed almost £950.00 for the privelege of owning this little gem. Way out of my price range unfortunately!  Best wishes Grant |
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Post by Mark on Jun 5, 2009 19:53:19 GMT
Hi Grant
Wow - one of the original 70 with 'Dee' in the title. I hadnt spotted this but dont know if I would have been brave enough to bid for it. What do you think about the price - do you think it represents the going rate ?
Best wishes
Mark
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Post by roger on Jun 5, 2009 20:09:41 GMT
Hi Grant and Mark,
Over the years, I have been aware of a number of people who would be willing to pay that sort of money for a genuine copy of the original WITA. For the dedicated fan, and considering how few there are, it is probably not unreasonable. What I object to is the fact that someone, somewhere is making a lot of money out of Hayley. I'm not sure what the family would think of that. They may see it as a compliment to Hayley's talent at such a young age but, bearing in mind the further 1,000 had to be funded by a family friend, they may have a different opinion.
I only hope it has gone to someone who will really cherish it for what it is - a very special piece of Hayley history.
Roger
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Post by grant on Jun 5, 2009 23:14:38 GMT
Hi Roger, Mark and everyone
Where ever something rare exists, it will have a value that will be dictated by what a collector will be prepared to pay for it. There are always going to be collectors who are solely interested in the rareity value of an item, but I agree with Roger in that I hope these rare WITA CD's will find their way into the collections of genuine Hayley fans.
Having said that, and on the basis that those collectors are then unlikely to part with their possessions, the remaining CD's out there can only increase in value.
Best wishes
Grant
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Post by martindn on Jun 6, 2009 1:05:06 GMT
Hi Grant and Roger,
The value of anything is only what someone is prepared to pay for it. the value of this item is what it is because of Hayley's popularity and nothing else. So though you and I might think such a thing is priceless because it is part of the life of someone who means a lot to us, others may not.
There are those who would buy it because they see it as an investment, which in itself implies a belief in Hayley and her future, and those who want it because they are genuine fans, and once they have it will never part with it at any price. And there might only be 20 genuine copies of this in the world I understand. That price seems cheap!
Martin
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Post by grant on Jun 6, 2009 9:03:12 GMT
Hi Martin And there might only be 20 genuine copies of this in the world I understand. The general consensus suggests that there were, in fact, 70 copies of the first WITA pressed. When I spoke to Hayley about it after the Friday Night Is Music Night West Side Story concert, she remembered only 20. My guess is that the 20 Hayley remembers are the ones given to family and friends as memento's of Hayley's voice at the time with the remainder being sold at Hayley's busking gigs. Some of those, as well as some of the second release will find their way into auctions when the temptation of a high sale price outweighs the value of having a CD of early Hayley. I know that Roger thinks this is making money out of Hayley but, on the other hand, it is making these very rare recordings available to newer Hayley fans who didn't know her in those early days. Best wishes Grant |
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Post by martindn on Jun 6, 2009 23:05:02 GMT
Hi Grant,
Well, it could be a typo, when hand written, 20 could often easily be mistaken for 70! If Hayley says there were only 20, I'm inclined to believe her. Presumably the figure seventy comes from "The World at her Feet", but I have just checked and it is spelt out as "seventy", so that would seem to rule out the typo theory.
Yes, I tend to go along with your second point. Whilst genuine copies of WITA are rare, some people will see an opportunity to make a killing. Perhaps if Hayley's family were to make a lot more copies available at a sensible price, perhaps through the online store, this profiteering could be ended. But Roger has said that Hayley's family object to this album being reproduced - I don't know whether this is to prevent profiteering or whether they have other reasons. If there are other reasons they might not want to increase the availability, and if that is the case I think HWI sould continure to support that position.
Martin
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Post by roger on Jun 6, 2009 23:14:37 GMT
If there are other reasons they might not want to increase the availability, and if that is the case I think HWI sould continure to support that position. What position, Martin? Sorry, I don't quite understand your point. Roger |
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Post by grant on Jun 7, 2009 11:26:34 GMT
Hi Martin If Hayley says there were only 20, I'm inclined to believe her. Hayley didn't say that. What she said was that she only remembers 20. Most sources agree that there were 70 and, if you think about it, 20 would hardly be enough for family and friends without those that were sold whilst Hayley was busking. It is possible that they were made in two batches as it was only a local studio in Christchurch and small quantities wouldn't have been a problem. The second batch of 50 being ordered when people started asking for them. Only a theory, but I will try to remember to ask Jill or Gerald next time one of them is over here. Best wishes Grant |
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Post by martindn on Jun 7, 2009 21:49:30 GMT
If there are other reasons they might not want to increase the availability, and if that is the case I think HWI sould continure to support that position. What position, Martin? Sorry, I don't quite understand your point. Roger Hi Roger, I remember you saying, some time ago, that Hayley's family had told you that they were concerned about the illegal copying of WITA. The problem is that since the copyright is not vested in a record company with the financial muscle to enforce that copyright, people were getting away with selling illegal copies in places like EBAY. I think you said that HWI was opposed to this (correct me if I am wrong), and that Hayley's family's wish was that this album should not spread further.. I assumed that Hayley's family were trying to minimize this infringement of their copyright. Whether it was just the copyright issue, or whether they had some other objection as well was not made clear. The profiteering issue could be addressed by making legitimate copies available at a reasonable price, and then the copyright holders, Hayley's family, would benefit.. But if their objection is more than that, and they had other reasons for not wanting the album to be propagated, HWI's opposition to further propagation should be supported in my opinion. But giving it teeth and making it work might prove to be impossible! Martin |
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Post by roger on Jun 7, 2009 22:04:53 GMT
Hi Martin, Thanks for the clarification. If I had read your post correctly, I wouldn't have needed to ask the question!  Basically, yes the family are against profiteering but yes, there are other reasons why they don't want WITA to spread. It was only ever intended to be for family and friends and, as Jill has said publicly, they were unsure as to whether or not they were prepared to sell it to those lucky few who heard Hayley busking. From what they have told me, their stance now is no more than a continuation of their intentions at the time. HWI certainly endeavours to respect their wishes and we discourage any illegal copies being made or sold. But we cannot physically stop it happening. I don't see that we can do more than we are doing to that end. Roger |
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Post by gra7890 on Jun 8, 2009 20:53:21 GMT
Hi Grant and Roger, As high as the selling price was it was about £1,000 pounds less than it was bought for only three months ago.  SEE HEREMaybe it was sold for this loss....... or maybe not  I wonder if there will be feedback on it Graham |
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Post by Belinda on Nov 10, 2009 2:48:07 GMT
Hi Martin, Thanks for the clarification. If I had read your post correctly, I wouldn't have needed to ask the question! Basically, yes the family are against profiteering but yes, there are other reasons why they don't want WITA to spread. It was only ever intended to be for family and friends and, as Jill has said publicly, they were unsure as to whether or not they were prepared to sell it to those lucky few who heard Hayley busking. From what they have told me, their stance now is no more than a continuation of their intentions at the time. HWI certainly endeavours to respect their wishes and we discourage any illegal copies being made or sold. But we cannot physically stop it happening. I don't see that we can do more than we are doing to that end. Roger I bought mine in a shop and they were also on sale where Hayley was Signing them at the Power Store Theres one on Trade me Now (NZ) Finishing in about 5 hours www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=251309642B. |
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Post by timj on Nov 10, 2009 4:03:38 GMT
Good Luck for the Irish Lad who has apparently taken residence in NZ to shop on TradeMe......TimJ
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Post by Belinda on Nov 10, 2009 4:17:29 GMT
Suburb  Australia Um New Zealand hasn't got a suburb called that |
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