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Post by stevemacdonald on Mar 17, 2009 1:46:57 GMT
As a fan of movies good and bad I am pleased that Hayley has some involvement in the soundtrack of LVK, a film sure to offend the ones least likely to see it in the first place! I guess high camp isn't everyone's cup of tea.
Hayley was also involved in the soundtrack for The Merchant of Venice film, which contained a fair amount of nudity, religious persecution and cruel violence. It received an "R" rating (for restricted audiences only) in the states. I didn't hear too many protests over that one.
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Post by Dori on Mar 17, 2009 2:05:05 GMT
No one is 'forcing' Hayley to give a statement. What I meant by a statement is this: When an artist is shown disappointment for an action (they are, after all, a public figure) he or she is responsible for defending themselves. This is because, as Roger said, they live off our consumerism of their work. Again, think of the Dixie Chicks. In 2003 they made a political statement and paid dearly. Not that they shouldn't have - they had every right. But they had to make a statement. They had to justify what they did because their fans were angry. Hayley has every right to do what she believed to be beneficial to her career, however, a sudden change of action (like recording this soundtrack) does deserve some explanation to her fans if the fans are confused/dissatisfied/disappointed or offended. Remember, without her fans there would be no Hayley Westenra as a star. Does she owe us an explanation? Well maybe someone does, because due to the accounts on this board, we have some very upset and confused fans.
Dori
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Post by I-H-F on Mar 17, 2009 2:15:01 GMT
OK, here's a few questions....
Has anyone actually listened to this soundtrack yet?
Was the music totally different to what Hayley has done in the past?
Was the music offensive in any way?
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Post by phillip on Mar 17, 2009 2:36:36 GMT
Hi all, I'm going to offer my opinion on this. I believe that Hayley did not know the film's content or what the songs would be called. Most of the blame must go to Debbie Wiseman and partially to Bedlam. There are tons of other artist management companies in London. Joe Thank you Joe! Of course it is that Hayleys innocent nature has been taken advantage of. It is typical of the loverly girl that she is she would do what her friend (she thought) and her management asked without question. She must be mortyified to know now what odius filth she has become associated wtih. I am sure she will soon make a firm statement and change her management company forthright! Roger is correct tht this is the sort of film that has a bad affect on young people and will lead them astray in many ways!!!! I am very angry that this has happened but it is good that people here still know what good moral values are about and stand up for them! People who watch bad films like this are not fit to be hayleys fans. She doesn’t want fans like this I know!!!! |
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Post by phillip on Mar 17, 2009 2:42:46 GMT
No one is 'forcing' Hayley to give a statement. What I meant by a statement is this: When an artist is shown disappointment for an action (they are, after all, a public figure) he or she is responsible for defending themselves. This is because, as Roger said, they live off our consumerism of their work. Again, think of the Dixie Chicks. In 2003 they made a political statement and paid dearly. Not that they shouldn't have - they had every right. But they had to make a statement. They had to justify what they did because their fans were angry. Hayley has every right to do what she believed to be beneficial to her career, however, a sudden change of action (like recording this soundtrack) does deserve some explanation to her fans if the fans are confused/dissatisfied/disappointed or offended. Remember, without her fans there would be no Hayley Westenra as a star. Does she owe us an explanation? Well maybe someone does, because due to the accounts on this board, we have some very upset and confused fans. Dori You are correct Dori. Of course there would be no star Hayley without her fans espcially such extra important ones as HWI. but I am sure as Joe and others say this must be the fault of others lke Debbie wiseman! Those of us who are true fans will not need an explanation, because we know she would not let us down like this unless it wasnt her fault. |
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Post by fusilier23 on Mar 17, 2009 2:45:06 GMT
This posting today is a joke. People getting their knickers in a knot over a soundtrack that's admittedly a departure for Hayley was one thing, but now Nicola and Georgina pitching hissy fits over the fact that a few folks here expressed concerns over this departure? Come on here.
We went through this same garbage back in 2002 with Charlotte Church. In the end nothing is going to change what the artist decides to do except maybe the market (we all saw where stubbornly pursuing pop landed CC), but, on the other hand, fans are entitled to their thoughts and their own decisions as to what they will buy. Everyone has their tipping point, and it's different for everyone.
Most of us will get past this, like most of Katherine Jenkins' fans got past her cocaine usage. It might help, though, if Hayley didn't leave everyone guessing as to why she did this. Some few may decide to rethink some things, but that's permissible, this site does not, as Nicola and Georgina think, exist to be mindless rah-rah for Hayley no matter what she does, and I don't think Hayley wants mindless rah-rah. Still others have already stomped off the playground in a hissy fit, and I for one say good riddance, that asinine rant by Georgina with the idiotic statement that if Hayley becomes like Amy Winehouse she will support her all the more is not the kind of post we want or need.
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Post by fusilier23 on Mar 17, 2009 2:52:04 GMT
I support Hayley 100% on her involvement on the soundtrack. Any true fan would do the same. And just who gave you the authority to determine who is a true fan or what a true fan does, IHF? Who died and left you judge? It always seems that the right to free will only goes as far as that will agrees with the one making the judgments. |
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Post by Joe on Mar 17, 2009 2:52:52 GMT
OK, here's a few questions.... Has anyone actually listened to this soundtrack yet? Was the music totally different to what Hayley has done in the past? Was the music offensive in any way? Hello Irish-Hayley-Fan! I've listened to some samples...the soundtrack is actually very good! It's all instrumental and vocalese (no lyrics) by Hayley and the chorus...quite comparable to 'Jekyll'. Further, Hayley isn't even mentioned anywhere on the site where I listened to the samples. |
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Post by I-H-F on Mar 17, 2009 2:53:44 GMT
No one is 'forcing' Hayley to give a statement. What I meant by a statement is this: When an artist is shown disappointment for an action (they are, after all, a public figure) he or she is responsible for defending themselves. This is because, as Roger said, they live off our consumerism of their work. Again, think of the Dixie Chicks. In 2003 they made a political statement and paid dearly. Not that they shouldn't have - they had every right. But they had to make a statement. They had to justify what they did because their fans were angry. Hayley has every right to do what she believed to be beneficial to her career, however, a sudden change of action (like recording this soundtrack) does deserve some explanation to her fans if the fans are confused/dissatisfied/disappointed or offended. Remember, without her fans there would be no Hayley Westenra as a star. Does she owe us an explanation? Well maybe someone does, because due to the accounts on this board, we have some very upset and confused fans. Dori You are correct Dori. Of course there would be no star Hayley without her fans espcially such extra important ones as HWI. but I am sure as Joe and others say this must be the fault of others lke Debbie wiseman! Those of us who are true fans will not need an explanation, because we know she would not let us down like this unless it wasnt her fault. HWIers are extra important fans? Says who? We just happen to belong to an online forum, it doesn't make us any more special than those fans who perhaps don't have internet access. As for laying the blame at Debbie Wiseman's door, I think thats wrong. People are only assuming. The truth is, we don't know what went on between Debbie, Hayley and Bedlam. I don't think Hayley would agree to something without knowing what it involved. She said she wants more input as to what songs she records, and what songs go on her albums etc, so why would this soundtrack be any different? |
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Post by I-H-F on Mar 17, 2009 3:15:21 GMT
I support Hayley 100% on her involvement on the soundtrack. Any true fan would do the same. And just who gave you the authority to determine who is a true fan or what a true fan does, IHF? Who died and left you judge? It always seems that the right to free will only goes as far as that will agrees with the one making the judgments. Well, a true fan doesn't abandon an artist, for dipping her toe in a different genre! If you want to abandon Hayley as well, over something as petty as this, go ahead. |
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Post by Joe on Mar 17, 2009 3:20:53 GMT
And just who gave you the authority to determine who is a true fan or what a true fan does, IHF? Who died and left you judge? It always seems that the right to free will only goes as far as that will agrees with the one making the judgments. Well, a true fan doesn't abandon an artist, for dipping her toe in a different genre! If you want to abandon Hayley as well, over something as petty as this, go ahead. Gentlemen, we must not argue about this...and it's not going to help anything. The soundtrack is out, the movie will be out soon, so we might as well accept things. |
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Post by phillip on Mar 17, 2009 3:36:32 GMT
This posting today is a joke. People getting their knickers in a knot over a soundtrack that's admittedly a departure for Hayley was one thing, but now Nicola and Georgina pitching hissy fits over the fact that a few folks here expressed concerns over this departure? Come on here. We went through this same garbage back in 2002 with Charlotte Church. In the end nothing is going to change what the artist decides to do except maybe the market (we all saw where stubbornly pursuing pop landed CC), but, on the other hand, fans are entitled to their thoughts and their own decisions as to what they will buy. Everyone has their tipping point, and it's different for everyone. Most of us will get past this, like most of Katherine Jenkins' fans got past her cocaine usage. It might help, though, if Hayley didn't leave everyone guessing as to why she did this. Some few may decide to rethink some things, but that's permissible, this site does not, as Nicola and Georgina think, exist to be mindless rah-rah for Hayley no matter what she does, and I don't think Hayley wants mindless rah-rah. Still others have already stomped off the playground in a hissy fit, and I for one say good riddance, that asinine rant by Georgina with the idiotic statement that if Hayley becomes like Amy Winehouse she will support her all the more is not the kind of post we want or need. I agree with much of your very intelligent post. this is like charlotte church and Katherine Jenkins taking cocaine. I do not understand why we should not help hayley if she become down and out theough. Hayley said she is surprised people dont try to help amy whinehouse more. |
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Post by I-H-F on Mar 17, 2009 3:39:58 GMT
I don't want any arguments, Joe. I was just politely expressing an opinion.
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Post by Dori on Mar 17, 2009 4:34:02 GMT
Hi Irish-Hayley-Fan,
By all due respect (and I genuinely mean this), I totally disagree with you. Firstly, no one said HWIers are more special. We just work harder as fans in supporting her more than other forum on Hayley, at least that I know of.
I also don't think that true fans don't abandon their artists. What if an artist compromises the fan's beliefs? Political views? Offends? But once again, we are going WAY off topic. This has nothing to do with Hayley!
Firstly, everybody, please be clear on this: Hayley has not changed her 'genre' of music. I've said this, it's the exact same vocal type she's done for The New World, Merchant of Venice, Flood and the rest of her soundtrack repertoire.
And yes, I do partially blame Bedlam for this. They are her managers, her advisors, and should be more thoroughly experienced and know what will or won't hurt her career. This certainly might, which makes me very sad. People's reactions on this forum alone are already a sign of this! Whether it's an overreaction or not, it's still a reaction to Hayley's work, which I'm sure in due course her managers, her parents and Hayley herself will take seriously.
This is such a stressful situation.
Dori
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Post by Dori on Mar 17, 2009 4:57:38 GMT
OK, here's a few questions.... Has anyone actually listened to this soundtrack yet? Was the music totally different to what Hayley has done in the past? Was the music offensive in any way? Hello Irish-Hayley-Fan! I've listened to some samples...the soundtrack is actually very good! It's all instrumental and vocalese (no lyrics) by Hayley and the chorus...quite comparable to 'Jekyll'. Further, Hayley isn't even mentioned anywhere on the site where I listened to the samples. Hi Joe, Yes, I've listened to it too. Musically there is absolutely nothing wrong with the vocals. But that's not what everyone is upset about. Have you seen the titles of these tracks? Joe, they use the 'f' word twice! They use the 'w' word, they use vulgar, vulgar language in the t racks! That's what's offensive. It's not the music - I've said it before, if you put that CD in my CD player and I didn't know what album it was, I would love it. But everyone here is putting into the perspective of a film that's provocative, sexual, violent, vulgar and offensive. The film's title says it all. I can't even imagine Hayley 'saying' the title! That's the problem, not the music. Dori |
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