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Post by Martin on Jan 25, 2009 10:07:04 GMT
Hi All, Yes, I agree absolutely. But there is no need to take the risk. Why not do BOTH? She could release TWO albums, one consisting of primarily classical music, and the other "pop" Nice thought Martin but the financial factors need to be considered here. The cost of launching an album is gigantic and it is most unlikely that Decca would release two albums of this nature within a relatively short timescale. The success of an album is dictated by the marketing budget and media exposure (unless you are International artists such as Madonna or Coldplay) so whichever album Hayley produces next it must be exposed not only on radio with the constraints here in the UK that the BBC may impose but equally importantly on TV. Crack the latter and you are half way to profitable sales. Best wishes Martin |
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Post by roger on Jan 25, 2009 10:58:52 GMT
Hi Kimberly, It is good to hear from you, welcome back!  If you consider Hayley to be vocal as opposed to classical, you are in good company. Bedlam Management's website has a classical section but they list Hayley under vocal. www.bedlammanagement.com/vocal.phpBest wishes and don't stay away too long!  Roger |
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Post by Nordly on Jan 25, 2009 15:57:19 GMT
I certainly think Hayley's next album will be different. As Hayley discovers more music, her choice of genres is likely to widen, so it is likely that the albums will be more diverse. On the classical side, as Hayley's voice matures she is able to do more operatic arias.
If Hayley has been hard to put into a genre before, I think it will be even harder soon. I do not believe that the next album could be called either classical or pop, and would be best off as vocal. Of course, then Hayley will release an instrumental album, just to make it even harder to put her into a genre!
Probably the best way to label the next album will be Crossover. Not Classical Crossover or Pop Crossover, just Crossover. I suppose that's what she really is.
~NL
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Post by kcuteus1 on Jan 25, 2009 16:15:46 GMT
I think her next cd sould be something like the cd that she just relese in japan.
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Post by grant on Jan 25, 2009 16:18:49 GMT
Probably the best way to label the next album will be Crossover. Not Classical Crossover or Pop Crossover, just Crossover. I suppose that's what she really is. But NL, I think the whole point of this discussion and Hayley's insistence that she is a singer, is because she doesn't want to be labelled as 'crossover' any more! Best wishes Grant |
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Post by martindn on Jan 25, 2009 18:29:42 GMT
My contention is that Hayley simply has to find new material, since she has already come close to exhausting the accepted "crossover" repertoire.
New material may mean new musical directions too. Hayley's talent simply too potent to be contained like that, she has to be free to go wherever she feels drawn. Part of that will be composing her own material I feel sure.
I am one of those who feels that she was badly let down by the failure to release HSJS internationally, I'm sure if that had been done, and the album promoted worldwide we would no longer be talking about Pure as her best selling album. It was a brilliant concept, brilliantly executed.
So I think the time is right for a new direction.
The only question mark I have is whether the world is ready for a mixed genre album. I put one together recently myself from various sources, combining classical, opera, folk, gospel, hymns, musical theatre and pop, all sung by Hayley, and I love the variety. I think it works, but that is for me, and some might not like it. I know that some people have accused her albums, particularly Treasure, of being to "samey", and something like that might be the answer. But the, "Live in NZ had variety, and I loved it
And I think it is time that more people outside a few classical crossover fans got to hear that amazing voice!
Martin
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Post by Martin on Jan 25, 2009 19:34:29 GMT
I am one of those who feels that she was badly let down by the failure to release HSJS internationally, I'm sure if that had been done, and the album promoted worldwide we would no longer be talking about Pure as her best selling album. It was a brilliant concept, brilliantly executed. Martin Hi Martin Although slightly off thread I totally agree with you here. Must be a first!!  I suppose we will never know why this wasn't the case or even considered. Most of the songs were very strong and you would never know with the exception of a few that they had Japanese origin Martin |
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Post by postscript on Jan 26, 2009 18:51:16 GMT
I think you are right there, Grant.
In fact, I want to pick up on your point and make something more of it, if I may. Was she making a statement as to where she is going? I.e., Hayley is in a state of change. Broader horizons, greater diversity and could she be responding to the debate about image by not changing a single thing about her physically but everything about her singing?
Now that really is making a mountain out of molehill!
Peter S.
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Post by grant on Jan 26, 2009 19:04:50 GMT
Hi Roger Bedlam Management's website has a classical section but they list Hayley under vocal. It would be interesting to know if that has always been the case, or have Bedlam quietly moved Hayley from classical to vocal (a classification I have not noted here before) whilst no one was looking in light of current thinking? Best wishes Grant |
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Post by Cherany on Jan 27, 2009 0:51:08 GMT
Making sure her albums qualify for the classical charts is the "been there, done that," route, so I do expect her next one to be geared more towards a mainstream audience & voted accordingly.
Though I love everything she's done thus far, I'm really looking forward to the next release. If she goes the way I foresee her going, I suspect it will be her most successful album & my personal favorite.
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Post by Libby on Jan 29, 2009 3:32:51 GMT
I voted "No", that her album should not be restricted to classical, but I still would like hearing her sing "classical" songs. However, I don't think she should have a "pop" album. I think she should always do a variety of styles, and never restrict herself to one genre, unless that's really what she wants to do. That doesn't seem to be the case at the moment, though. It may make it hard to describe what kind of singer she is, but so be it.
I bet her album will have something classical on it. I hope it does, but not just because Decca wants her to.
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Post by stephen on Jan 29, 2009 17:38:24 GMT
The music industry has its own interpretation of what it considers Classical.Not so long ago these tunes would have been defined as Easy listening or traditional.
Stephen.
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Post by phillip on Jan 29, 2009 22:14:24 GMT
The music industry has its own interpretation of what it considers Classical.Not so long ago these tunes would have been defined as Easy listening or traditional. Stephen. Many still do, Stephen. Nothing has changed. Others might be able to be more precise about it, but a "classical" album must have 60% of its content either "classical" or "traditional", and no background synthesization. (don't ask me how to define those) Hayley qualifies with her previous albums, Il Divo and Paul Potts don't because of background sythesization. |
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Post by Dave on Jan 30, 2009 14:57:46 GMT
The music industry has its own interpretation of what it considers Classical.... Hayley qualifies with her previous albums, Il Divo and Paul Potts don't because of background sythesization. Hi Phillip, In fairness to Il Divo and Paul Potts, it isn't necessarily the use of synthesized backing that meant they didn't qualify in the UK for the classical chart, they both had too many pop songs there too. Cheers, Dave |
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Post by nicola on Jan 30, 2009 21:01:32 GMT
Sorry to come to this discussion late - it's a very good one.
I am all for Hayley branching out, as I think I have made clear in the past. Hayley is in a very secure place because the vast fanbase she has here in the UK. Like Russell Watson, Hayley could release an album that is not classical, and it would still chart well, with or without Classic FMs help on that particular album. Classical FM is still playing tracks from 'Pure' up to this very day, so even if she decides to branch out now, Classic FM are still putting her name out there. Even so, I think every Classic FM listener knows who she is by now.
Having an album that does not qualify for the classical charts is not the end of the world. RyanDan, who were completely new and unknown charted extremely well in the main charts without the support of the classical charts. It is probably STICKING to classical which brings her stagnation in popularity. If she does not branch out, she will never reach new audiences. Of course, there is the issue that artists should not abandon their loyal fans, but I would argue that as an artist, Hayley should do whatever she likes, and I think that Hayley's fanbase will actually take to whatever she does regardless, as she can do no wrong in most of their eyes.
I simply think that Hayley should follow her heart. Do whatever she feels like doing, and have the marketing team work AROUND her desires. She may not quite have the power to do that yet, but she will one day. I think Hayley has a very creative mind, and very clear ideas. The only thing holding her back right now is her inexperience with other genres, meaning that her influences are limited. Once she lets go of classical (not completely, of course) the whole world of music will be her oyster, and I think the world is in for a treat when she does. I have complete faith in her to grow and mature as an artist, rather than just a singer.
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