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Post by ironman on Jan 8, 2009 4:15:41 GMT
I don't mean to ask a stupid question but why is there jungle looking people on the DVD?
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Post by Ross on Jan 8, 2009 4:34:57 GMT
I don't mean to ask a stupid question but why is there jungle looking people on the DVD? They are Maori who are the native people of New Zealand and some of the songs Hayley sings are maori songs like Pokarekare Ana and Hine e Hine. |
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Post by ironman on Jan 8, 2009 16:27:41 GMT
I don't mean to ask a stupid question but why is there jungle looking people on the DVD? They are Maori who are the native people of New Zealand and some of the songs Hayley sings are maori songs like Pokarekare Ana and Hine e Hine. I would have thought that was the reason but I didnt think thats the way native people to NZ would look. I thought they looked more like some south american tribe. We dont learn much about natives in school other then from american. |
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Post by postscript on Jan 8, 2009 18:20:30 GMT
They are Maori who are the native people of New Zealand and some of the songs Hayley sings are maori songs like Pokarekare Ana and Hine e Hine. I would have thought that was the reason but I didnt think thats the way native people to NZ would look. I thought they looked more like some south american tribe. We dont learn much about natives in school other then from american. Hi Ironman. This is where I am going to risk being a little cheeky and for the record, as we are unfamiliar with one another, I should state that 40 odd years ago I did a grand tour of the USA which was my trip of a life-time taken early enough in my life to have lived it for the rest of my time, so I am very fond of the USA and its diverse people. What you highlight is a very interesting diversity of education because of our different locations and history and you raise a point of which Hayley is probably aware but certainly should be when in the US. We Brits instinctively are aware of our Commonwealth of Nations and much of NZ and Oz is interwoven with our own sense of history. I found it very interesting that you simply (quite understandably) hadn't a clue of the Maori peoples or their relationship to NZ's history. It is interesting to us who are aware of the sometimes unfortunate history both of the Maoris and of Oz's Aboriginal people. Clearly Hayley encompasses the Maori people into her sense of who she is as a Kiwi. In case you are not aware of it the kiwi (a nocturnal bird so you rarely ever see it) is New Zealand's national mascot. Anyone claiming to be a 'New Zealander' is usually happy to be referred to as a Kiwi! Hayley is certainly happy with that appellation. `she is very proud of it.  Peter S. |
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Post by martindn on Jan 8, 2009 20:48:26 GMT
Yes, Peter, and that national pride is evident on the DVD.
It is perhaps emphasised there in the knowledge that a lot of the purchasers of the DVD will be from overseas, and not familiar with Maori culture or the "Haka" (the war dance that is performed at the start of the DVD).
Ironman, if you ever watch international Rugby football, you will see that the New Zealand national team (the All Blacks) perform that dance before every match. New Zealanders are very proud of their heritage. I wish we English were allowed to be the same!
I can't imagine a war dance by Native American "Indians" appearing on a DVD by an American singer, perhaps because for Americans, their primary target s the American market, not the overseas one.
Martin
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Post by ironman on Jan 9, 2009 5:43:10 GMT
I learned alot here, the Maori is new to me, Ive never really learned anything on NZ. I was wondering about the kiwi thing too. I did some reading on NZ and would like to go there some day, looks like a nice place.
I dont think any american singer would ever have a native american dance like Hayley did. One big reason is there really isnt any real native americans any more. This may sound bad but I have a real probelm with native americans and my great grandma was a indian. The native americans are allowed to build casinos and get plenty of government money. I have to deal with the local native americans and they are all drunks and drug addics. They live the super star lifestyle, they get money so theres no need to work so they just blow the money on drugs and cause alot of trouble.
I know there is native american people who dont live that life style but they are few and far between.
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Post by Richard on Jan 9, 2009 9:02:06 GMT
Hello Ironman and everybody.
Please remember that this thread is about the Maori people of New Zealand, as they were presented on Hayley's DVD. Any further negative discussion about the native people of North America will not be permitted on this forum.
Many thanks,
Richard
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Post by ironman on Jan 9, 2009 19:37:22 GMT
Hello Ironman and everybody. Please remember that this thread is about the Maori people of New Zealand, as they were presented on Hayley's DVD. Any further negative discussion about the native people of North America will not be permitted on this forum. Many thanks, Richard I can understand its just been something thats really been getting under my skin lately. |
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Post by Richard on Jan 10, 2009 8:20:34 GMT
Hello again Ironman.
For political correctness, I have now modified the title of this thread.
Richard
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Post by postscript on Jan 10, 2009 10:34:31 GMT
Hello again Ironman. For political correctness, I have now modified the title of this thread. Richard I think that you are quite right, Richard now that the thread has moved on a bit but initially I think it was not inappropriate as it brought to immediate attention the lack of knowledge of the Maoris and Hayley's feelings toward them in some parts of the world. Peter S. |
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Post by Libby on Jan 20, 2009 1:40:48 GMT
Before I was aware of Hayley, I was aware of the Aboriginal people, but I didn't know what the NZ people were called. My favorite band includes members from Australia and New Zealand, but as far as I know they've never included native people in their performances. It applies Hayley's music because she sings Maori songs, and because of her pride for her country. But do they perform for other Kiwi singers?
Native Americans don't normally perform alongside popular American artists, but there is certainly plenty of opportunity to watch their dances and performances, which are very fascinating, because they tell a story. They are quite different from what little I've seen of the Maori and Aboriginal people; they don't roll their eyes around or stick out their tongues.
There's a South American singing group that play in Seattle's Pike Place Market, and at fairs. I have a few of their CDs. They're not from the tribes, and they don't dance. They play bamboo flutes and drums, as well as guitars and violins. The music is in Spanish, but their flutes and drums give it a more exotic sound than regular Mexican music. They really have some great songs.
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