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Post by theoldie on Nov 25, 2009 10:17:19 GMT
I was present at this event which took place inside the store which is inside a shopping mall. It was timed to take place at 5pm, a time when in my experience, it becomes less populated. In fact there were delays and it did not begin till about 5.30 by which time all of the other shops were closing. The event had been advertised in the store and the local press for almost a month, so the council were well aware that it was about to happen and' I assume, would be aware as to whether a license had been issued or not. Faryl performed with a microphone and a backing track only. There are videos on You Tube showing this. The entire performance lasted no more than ten minutes. There was no nuisance to residents because Kettering town centre is not a residential area. There was no detrimental effect on other traders because by this time HMV were the only store still open. The crowd inside the store were organised and controlled by security staff. I spoke to one of the security people and he told me that it was one of the best organised events of its kind that he had been to. What I would like to ask Roger is, is a licence required to play music within the store, as all record stores play music continuously all day long in order to promote artists? What is the difference, in law, between playing a cd of Faryl within the store in order to promote it, and having Faryl sing a song from the cd, in the store, in person, in order to promote it?
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Post by roger on Nov 25, 2009 12:10:19 GMT
Hi theoldie,
Thank you for the additional information. The fact that the event was advertised in the store does not change the fact that it is the venue’s responsibility to apply for a music license. It is not up to the council to issue one as a result of seeing advertisements. Also, the precise timing, the fact that there was no noise nuisance, it not being a residential area, and the event being well organised does not negate the need for a license. All of the above assumes a license was requireded but the BBC seem to think so and I therefore expect it is the case (as they have their own legal department).
Dave’s suggestion that it could be a test case is interesting and he may well be right. As an extension of that, it is possible that HMV see it as a means of obtaining some publicity. If so, it seems to be working! Whatever the outcome, it is giving Faryl some additional publicity and that will do her no harm whatsoever.
In answer to your question, yes, a license is required to play background music in all public places but it is a different license, basically to protect the rights of the copyrights owners and has little (if anything) to do with any possible public safety issue. It does not give the venue the right to hold any sort of live permormance.
Roger
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Post by grant on Nov 25, 2009 23:13:30 GMT
Hello everyone This story made our local teatime TV news (and included a clip of Faryl singing). Apparently, HMV have stated that they never received notification from the council that they could apply retrospectively for a licence.  The plot thickens. Best wishes Grant |
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Post by jacky on Nov 26, 2009 11:25:50 GMT
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Post by grant on Nov 26, 2009 15:29:29 GMT
Hello everyone This story made our local teatime TV news (and included a clip of Faryl singing). Apparently, HMV have stated that they never received notification from the council that they could apply retrospectively for a licence.
The plot thickens. According to the BBC, HMV have now agreed to donate £21 to charity in lieu of the licence fee, but ... .... seems to suggest that it was Fary's fault for getting up to sing  Full article HEREBest wishes Grant |
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Post by Dave on Nov 26, 2009 17:18:11 GMT
but ... .... seems to suggest that it was Fary's fault for getting up to sing Full article HEREBest wishes Grant Hi Grant, Yes but it also begs the question: "what did HMV expect a young enthusiastic but inexperienced singer to do with a handily placed and "live" microphone?". Make an 'After Dinner' speech?  Cheers, Dave  |
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Post by theoldie on Nov 26, 2009 17:41:46 GMT
The store had a stage erected, there was a professional sound team present who spent something like half an hour setting up the microphone and balancing the backing track. It had been announced in the press and on her website at least a month beforehand that she would be performing. Her PR was there also. There were TV cameras from several news agencies too. At about 5.30 Faryl appeared and walked straight to the stage where she sang 3 songs and then sat down and began to sign her album and have her photo taken with any child who asked. The signing didn't end until she had signed for everyone there, which was about 8 o'clock. None of the ensuing dispute can be laid at her door.
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Post by Dave on Nov 26, 2009 18:21:35 GMT
Hello theoldie! I am sure that none of us is suggesting that it's in any way Faryl's fault or responsibility (but there may be some misleading media articles out there) and it's clear that the council are only interested in HMV. From the helpful information that you've provided, I am pretty sure in my own mind that HMV should have obtained this licence (if it's the £21 PRS for Music licence), either in advance or retrospectively. If so, I think their attitude is appalling... and frankly, quite surprising. But if it's some kind of additional licence demanded by the local Council, which is perhaps not generally payable in other towns, I'm not so sure. I suspect that this may be what it is and that perhaps HMV Nationally object to it or the local council's interpretation of it. I wish the media would explain it better. Cheers, another oldie Dave  |
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Post by grant on Nov 26, 2009 18:46:04 GMT
Hi Dave I am sure that none of us is suggesting that it's in any way Faryl's fault or responsibility (but there may be some misleading media articles out there) and it's clear that the council are only interested in HMV. Many thanks for making that clear. I was in no way suggesting that Faryl was to blame, but the media were putting that spin on it Best wishes Grant |
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Post by theoldie on Dec 1, 2009 10:49:31 GMT
Having listened to Faryl's new album, Wonderland, I am amazed at how well her voice has developed over the past year. On this album she performs impeccably. Beautiful selection of songs. This is an album to sit down to and listen to the words, and the harmonies. You won't find this in many car boot sales in 12 months time.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Dec 1, 2009 13:16:07 GMT
^ I agree. It's an absolutely beautiful album. Faryl's voice is just incredible, and not just for her age, either.
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Post by Jeff on Dec 3, 2009 10:29:38 GMT
The kid from Kettering certainly doesn't let the grass grow under her feet. Barely 8 months after her debut album we have "Wonderland." I think the first track "Somewhere far away" must be her favourite since that's the one she's been singing on TV to promote the album. If you're only going to have 2 carols on the album you may as well have the one voted most popular by Classic FM listeners: "O Holy Night," a truly stirring performance which shows Faryl is equally adept at singing in French as indeed she does in "Barcarolle" or indeed Italian as in "The Prayer", one of the most touching songs on the album which she sang at the Remembrance Service at the RAH. The title track "Wonderland" is based on Winter from the Four Seasons, a popular crossover track as Hayley and Camilla have also recorded it.
I must admit I was surprised by the piano intro to "In Dulci Jubilo" but have come to the conclusion it's meant to resemble a peal of bells.It's growing on me. This time Faryl gets to grips with medieval Latin !! "Night of silence" features probably the highest note you'll hear her sing. Then follows the haunting "Evening Prayer" from Hansel and Gretel by the original Engelbert Humperdinck. "Blow the wind southerly" revives fond memories of contralto Kathleen Ferrier for those of us of a certain age. I think the great lady would approve. The most exciting performance on the album for me is "Hymn to the moon" from Dvorak's opera "Rusalka". I feel this points the way to where Faryl's career will eventaully lead, to the great opera houses of the world. Her idol and mentor Katherine Jenkins says mezzo voices don't mature till 30 years of age and Faryl is not even half way there yet in age terms but her voice is well on the way there ! Just how much better can she get ? What else can you follow a Dvorak opera with but a Carpenter's song "Close to you ?!" It just shows her growing maturity and versatility as a singer.
Hayley's "Winter Magic" is a pop album, Camilla's is classical. Jon Cohen and his team have pitched "Wonderland" right in the middle. In a way it is the best balanced of the three, a true crossover disc and considering the performer's youth, an amazing achievement for one so young. How can she keep from singing ? How can I keep from listening ?!
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Post by nicola on Dec 3, 2009 10:40:40 GMT
I don't know if I am the only person to mention this, but, why have they included 'How Can I Keep From Singing' on Wonderland when it was on her first album?
Confused. It doesn't sound any different at all.
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Post by Jeff on Dec 3, 2009 10:44:28 GMT
I don't know if I am the only person to mention this, but, why have they included 'How Can I Keep From Singing' on Wonderland when it was on her first album? Confused. It doesn't sound any different at all. No it doesn't but in any case I prefer the version by a certain 21 year old from Guildford !! |
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Post by comet on Dec 3, 2009 11:36:54 GMT
I don't know if I am the only person to mention this, but, why have they included 'How Can I Keep From Singing' on Wonderland when it was on her first album? Confused. It doesn't sound any different at all. No it doesn't but in any case I prefer the version by a certain 21 year old from Guildford !! and my preferred version is by Enya |
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