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Post by John H on Oct 25, 2010 11:37:02 GMT
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Post by Dave on Oct 25, 2010 21:28:39 GMT
This Hobbit problem has become a major story on all the BBC's main news bulletins in the UK today!
I hope it is resolved, it just won't feel the same if future Hobbit movies are produced mostly in some film studio, somewhere in deepest darkest England...
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Post by spiderman on Oct 25, 2010 23:10:16 GMT
im fine with hobbit shooting  no-one would have cared if they hadnt threatened to take it away from NZ. notice that though the protests were mostlty about Pete underpaying folk, no-one is interested. [mention underpaid exploited asians, its slavery; dont pay actors its a nonissue] the actors were right but they lost the court of public opinion because we are a nation proud to make meaningless special effects pictures. i stand by anyone who legitmately protests their working condtions. just my opinion |
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Post by Libby on Oct 26, 2010 6:04:36 GMT
Don't pay actors. Seriously? One actor said she would work for Jackson for free! If you think these actors are going to be in "meaningless" movies, then why do you care how much they're paid? $5,000 a week sounds like a lot to me. Sorry, but I don't feel that sorry for them. And you won't think the movies are meaningless if Hayley sings for them and becomes more famous. The LOTR is one of the best epic stories ever, and I personally enjoy seeing the beautiful scenery in the movies, and so does Hayley. |
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Post by spiderman on Oct 26, 2010 10:32:09 GMT
Don't pay actors. Seriously? One actor said she would work for Jackson for free! If you think these actors are going to be in "meaningless" movies, then why do you care how much they're paid? $5,000 a week sounds like a lot to me. Sorry, but I don't feel that sorry for them. im pretty sure that all the extras that didnt get paid because they werent used in filming on that day would have a fit at you libby. im probably right in assuming they didnt get 5000NZD for their work either. does the fact julia roberts gets 26M$ a movie mean lesser actors cant go on strike because they only get "union" wages and feel they need a pay rise? i dont care how much they are paid.. its the principle im interested in no i wouldnt but then that would have given them a meaning The fact that hayley enjoys them [or seeing her homeland in them] justifies their existance, yes; but doesnt necessarily make them meaningful i can see the same scenary in 10, 000BC. it just takes less time. ive seen to many CGI epics to be impressed by LOTR. |
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Post by Libby on Oct 26, 2010 19:01:53 GMT
I'm not against actors getting paid more, I just hate that the actor's equties had to wait till now to have a fit about it. Why didn't they do it after LOTR, if their pay was so bad? Why do they have to ruin things for the entire NZ film industry about it?
And aside from movies I'm really interested in, I really could care less about how much actors are paid. Acting is not the most important job in the world. Yes, they should be treated fairly, but they also should follow their countries laws and not ruin their whole film industry about it.
It sounds as though we may not know where it's being filmed until later this week. John Key met with them last night (NZ's night), and Warner Bros. are still discussing it. John Key says they didn't all come just to say no, but that they need more incentive to decide to keep it there.
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Post by spiderman on Oct 26, 2010 23:26:28 GMT
I'm not against actors getting paid more, I just hate that the actor's equties had to wait till now to have a fit about it. Why didn't they do it after LOTR, if their pay was so bad? Why do they have to ruin things for the entire NZ film industry about it? And aside from movies I'm really interested in, I really could care less about how much actors are paid. Acting is not the most important job in the world. Yes, they should be treated fairly, but they also should follow their countries laws and not ruin their whole film industry about it.. if any laws are being broken, its by peter sorry.. he has sucessfully been sued for underpaying an actor 38, 000$ . my theory on the timing is that with that precedent its appropriate to try and change the working conditions to prevent it happening again. the blockade against union actors working on this project being lifted only as a sign of good faith for those future negotiations see www.actorsequity.org.nz/component....obbit-situationlibby, are sure you arent confusing 2 issues.... you want the hobbit made as a vehicle for hayley... fine. .. but she will do fine without it. our world and hers doesnt depend on one movie, one song, or even one album. You seem to want the actors to be wrong so the hobbit gets made here and hayley gets in it... the actors could be right, stand their ground, it go overseas and hayley still be in it |
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Post by Libby on Oct 27, 2010 4:39:01 GMT
That's true; I certainly don't think whether Hayley sings for the movies or not depends on where it's filmed. I just think it might be of interest to people that the singer of the films is from the land where it's filmed, don't you think?
Do you want the movie made somewhere else? That isn't going to change the issues with the actors. They've stopped boycotting, but their issues aren't being resolved because the movie is made somewhere else. But they probably just won't ever have a chance to do a big movie there ever again.
All the actors who've been cast in the Hobbit seem to be fully supportive of Peter Jackson, including those who've worked for him before (Andy Serkis).
Of course, even if they're made somewhere else, the movies will still be good (for those of us who like it), but as PJ says, "This is where Middle Earth was born, and this is where it should stay".
I'm interested to know more about how and why PJ underpaid an actor.
From what I heard from other people, 10,000 B.C. wasn't that good. And what is CGI?
BTW, your link didn't work for me.
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Post by Joe on Oct 27, 2010 5:17:19 GMT
Regarding spiderman's link, it appears the page no longer exists on the actorsequity NZ site.
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Post by Ross on Oct 27, 2010 6:22:56 GMT
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Post by spiderman on Oct 27, 2010 6:25:39 GMT
yes, idealistically; and i'd certainly encourage appropriate people if i could. but... thats the other issue. i guess it depends whats important. i personally like to see any group stand up for their rights, as they percieve them. if its really just a non issue, pete and AE can have a chat, sort out their problem and go on as normal . warner bros might see that as positive. if there is a problem, talks over the next months should see those ironed out. which is a positive for the industry. we had an issue, we resolved it. its not going to harm the NZ film industry long term. it is interesting if the singer comes from the same country as the music, sort of; but i think its more about the feel of the culture of the land... .it would mean a lot more if the song itself came from here i dont care, its still the same movie. The scenery will be different yes; and i wont get little shivers up my spine, when i recognize it... but it wont come to that. they will talk, its all politics and so is my couzin joe, but that doesnt make it right "CGI" [computer graphics image] is a laymans catch all for computer generated effects such as "cloning" soldiers for a battle scene try www.actorsequity.org.nz/component/content/article/125-update-on-the-hobbit-situationwww.actorsequity.org.nz/component/content/article/120-update-on-the-hobbit-situation-and-cancellation-of-members-meeting-tonight-in-aucklandif you want you can go back through the archives. its a nice long lesson in AE's issues moot anyway.. the hobbit will be made in NZL. |
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Post by Juliette on Oct 27, 2010 10:17:04 GMT
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Post by Martin on Oct 27, 2010 10:32:03 GMT
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Post by Libby on Oct 27, 2010 20:20:02 GMT
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Post by worldsecanalyst on Nov 7, 2010 14:35:39 GMT
It looks to be that Peter Jackson is "Go" to follow through on production of Tolkein's "The Hobbit". Jackson likes his collaborators which includes Howard Shore to score it. As yet, it seems that Shore has not signed on. However, we have had Enya, Emiliana Torrini, and Annie Lennox sing for "The Lord of the Rings". This time Hayley deserves a turn for "The Hobbit". What kind of campaign must we start to see about getting her a place for "The Hobbit"?
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