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Post by mj on Jun 5, 2007 20:25:01 GMT
Hayley has always been noted for her talent for uplifting people... it runs in her veins... but this time I want to discuss spiritual upliftment. We all know that she was brought up in a Faith, but some of her songs I have always come from somewhere far beyond the business encrusted desire for hit music... Certain songs such as... 'Hine e Hine', 'Never Saw Blue' 'She Moves Through The Fair' 'Heaven' 'I Dreamed a Dream' 'Across The Universe of Time' 'Let Me Lie' ... and over such hits are so powerful and filled with Life and an Energy that far surpasses Human Realms lol... Does anybody what to divulge how you are uplifted by her voice as well in spiritual terms? Love and Light people! MJ  |
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Post by Andrew on Jun 5, 2007 20:33:01 GMT
Hayley has always been noted for her talent for uplifting people... it runs in her veins... but this time I want to discuss spiritual upliftment. We all know that she was brought up in a Faith, but some of her songs I have always come from somewhere far beyond the business encrusted desire for hit music... Certain songs suchas... 'Hine e Hine', 'Never Saw Blue', 'She Moves Through The Fair', 'Heaven' 'I Dreamed a Dream', 'Across The Universe of Time' 'Let Me Lie' ... and over such hits are so powerful and filled with life... Does anybody what to divulge how you are uplifted by her voice as well in spiritual terms? Love and Light people! MJ Hi "MJ" How long have you got Sir?  Do you really want me to get started on this one?    With you all the way...  I find 'Whispering Hope' to be very spiritually uplifting too! Andrew |
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Post by mj on Jun 5, 2007 21:00:22 GMT
Excellent choice Andrew, that is a great number...
For me Odyssey still reigns supreme as my favourite album for spiritually upflifting songs... there's just something about it...
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Post by milewalker on Jun 5, 2007 21:39:25 GMT
Hayley has always been noted for her talent for uplifting people... it runs in her veins... but this time I want to discuss spiritual upliftment. We all know that she was brought up in a Faith, but some of her songs I have always come from somewhere far beyond the business encrusted desire for hit music...<snip> ... and over such hits are so powerful and filled with Life and an Energy that far surpasses Human Realms lol... Hi MJ Very few songs which Hayley has recorded have been done because of hit potential. Actually, she has this in common with many other artists - for example jazz musicians - who struggle though a career and no one ever hears of them - for no other reason than that they are in it for the art. Surely you arent saying that Hayley is inhuman are you? If you arent saying that what exactly are you saying? Speaking personally, I wasnt around when she was raised. It seems clear that she is a very nice, personable and patient young woman, but I dont know that she was "brought up" as anything. I fear that I may be perceived in these posts as being harsher than I really am. I am not going to get into my own religious philosophy here - but lets just say I am not anti-religious, or anti-religion in general. I do question the projection of our own beliefs onto Hayley, because it puts too much of a burden on her in my opinion. I simply have a very human life, and perceive the music of Hayley as a beautiful part of that - for which I am thankful. That is all that I expect her to provide - and that is enough for me. Jon |
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Post by Andrew on Jun 5, 2007 22:33:06 GMT
Hayley has always been noted for her talent for uplifting people... it runs in her veins... but this time I want to discuss spiritual upliftment. We all know that she was brought up in a Faith, but some of her songs I have always come from somewhere far beyond the business encrusted desire for hit music...<snip> ... and over such hits are so powerful and filled with Life and an Energy that far surpasses Human Realms lol... Hi MJ Very few songs which Hayley has recorded have been done because of hit potential. Actually, she has this in common with many other artists - for example jazz musicians - who struggle though a career and no one ever hears of them - for no other reason than that they are in it for the art. Surely you arent saying that Hayley is inhuman are you? If you arent saying that what exactly are you saying? Speaking personally, I wasnt around when she was raised. It seems clear that she is a very nice, personable and patient young woman, but I dont know that she was "brought up" as anything. I fear that I may be perceived in these posts as being harsher than I really am. I am not going to get into my own religious philosophy here - but lets just say I am not anti-religious, or anti-religion in general. I do question the projection of our own beliefs onto Hayley, because it puts too much of a burden on her in my opinion. I simply have a very human life, and perceive the music of Hayley as a beautiful part of that - for which I am thankful. That is all that I expect her to provide - and that is enough for me. Jon Hi Jon, It would appear that there is a difference of opinion between some Forum members (and indeed the rest of the world!) with regard to spiritual matters and faith. I don't think for one minute that "MJ" was implying that Hayley wasn't human like the rest of us, but she does appear to be in touch with her spiritual side. Have you viewed the clips from the 'Heaven and Earth' TV programme broadcast which are available to view via the "Videoplayer 2006" on the main 'HWI' Website? I don't think "MJ" was implying anything which Hayley didn't share herself during the interview on that TV programme. Regards, Andrew |
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Post by Dave on Jun 6, 2007 1:10:06 GMT
I'd go along with what you said there, Andrew (although the bit in brackets is debateable  ) But I'll add a general comment too: this is the kind of thread that can easily and quickly degenerate into the kind of heated debate that we don't want to see, not even in "Off Topic". So, try hard to keep it cool everyone, thanks! Dave |
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Post by milewalker on Jun 6, 2007 1:57:57 GMT
Hi Jon, It would appear that there is a difference of opinion between some Forum members (and indeed the rest of the world!) with regard to spiritual matters and faith. I don't think for one minute that "MJ" was implying that Hayley wasn't human like the rest of us, but she does appear to be in touch with her spiritual side. Have you viewed the clips from the 'Heaven and Earth' TV programme broadcast which are available to view via the "Videoplayer 2006" on the main 'HWI' Website? I don't think "MJ" was implying anything which Hayley didn't share herself during the interview on that TV programme. Regards, Andrew Hi Andrew, I dont actually think he meant that either, but I did think the adulation was getting thick enough for me to step in - and that always makes me wince a bit...But I am not really trying to pick on MJ in particular here. Yes, I am familiar with the video in question. I might note that she specifically said she did not have a particularly Christian upbringing - they didnt often go to church, and one parent wasnt Christian at all (or something like that - my memory aint what it used to be....and her accent is still hard for me to catch every word, nor do I hang on every word she says). To the extent that she has a faith, wasnt she saying that it was emerging though her own experiences? The problem however doesnt lie with what Hayley said, but in the fact that inevitably we will all interpret those words through the prism of our own unique personal experiences. An American evangelical will see them one way, and an American Episcopal will quite likely see them differently - an agnostic even more so. The faiths themselves are divided by major differences of opinion on cultural and moral issues. It is a very small step to take those words of Hayley and project them to something like "ooh she believes the same things as I do!" Pragmatically, something as benign as her involvement with Unicef (which may indeed by "spritually" inspired) would not sit well with many evangelic Americans who feel the UN is an instrument of the devil That is an overstatement for effect, but it does illustrate why I see a problem here - and why it isnt really fair to Hayley in my opinion to do this. If too many people like her primarily for her "spirituality" rather than her voice, sooner or later (as she is now 20, sooner more likely) she will be confronted with a major dilemna - either take stands on issues which may risk offending some of her fans, one way or another, or take no stands at all, and risk being perceived as so plain vanilla that no one is interested at all. Jon |
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Post by petertong on Jun 6, 2007 4:36:38 GMT
Does anybody what to divulge how you are uplifted by her voice as well in spiritual terms? Love and Light people! MJ I've been thinking of Simon since he passed away. Even though I didn't know him personally, just reading what he wrote at the finish meant quite alot. I felt when reading it that he was a fellow sojourner and that he knew, and trusted the same Person to keep him that I do, given how uncertain things in this life are. So that is how I see things while I'm here - a pilgrim in a fallen world... entrusted with many things, but owner of none, while I am going towards the same goal. Now I have been out camping and in admiring nature, looked around and noted all the fallen trees (and they are damp and rotting of course), and I have thought... such beauty and yet so fallen! What kind of world do I live in? Abide in Me reminded me of this when I first heard it - "Change and decay in all around I see". Going on... On the other hand something within me knows that something is beyond what I can immediately sense with my 5 senses - a Creator. I have felt this person before so I know it... and this Person - the Creator was the originator of all beauty, and I do believe that we were made to reflect His beauty somehow. So I guess when I see/hear beautiful things it makes me think of the Person from who all beauty originates - the Creator. And so when I hear a voice as beautiful as Hayleys it reminds me of Him, because I know (by faith - I'm not doing a very fine job of explaining it logically per se) that the beautiful voice I am hearing is a gift of His given to another person that is faithfully using it to encourage lots of other people. So I hope that is good enough for a 2% explanation as to what is going on for me... best regards, Peter T. PS: Keep in mind that none of us is a perfect reflection so the best we can do is reflect/show a glimmer of whats beyond the veil to each other. Whether in Hayleys case her singing, or for some folks taking care of their parents when they are old. Others ministering to lonely people. All these things - beautiful glimmers! Does that help? |
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Post by mj on Jun 6, 2007 8:00:11 GMT
Hello everyone...
I never intended to impose my views on anyone... I did indeed go from the "Heaven and Earth" Interview, and of course the biography.
I am also not religious... this is not a religious thread, but, a chance to explore your inner self...
...Hayley's vocie helps us do that for those who are open to it, which is why people who are not open to it won't actually gather this from that. Like was said earlier on this thread, it's all about "Personal Experiences" and "perception" as our friend Leibniz points out.
We cannot help put see the world through our own eyes/perception, which includes Hayley's voice, but what I see when we all do this on this sight is that we all see through the same lens of love, gratitude, and happiness, whether it be through the human or spiritual tinted glass.
For me her voice bridges the connection between the Human and Divine... she is equally human as she is equally Divine, and what a wonderful combination to possess. SHe has accessed talents now in this life that many of us could only dream about...
... but she helps us see our own Divine Connection and I personally know of people that she has INSPIRED to move forward and seek their own Inner Potential... that's a gift without a price, and a wonderful thing to give.
I know there are gonna be people who don't agree with this... but I also know that there are going to be people that are, but seen as this a thread on perceptions I know that some of her songs seem to move me more than others, of a time when I know I lived a past-life as a moari or some other polynesian state... it reaches into my core and withdraws memories, and for that I will always be thankful to Hayley!
Love and Light
Mj
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Post by mariannek on Jun 6, 2007 8:23:05 GMT
Excellent choice Andrew, that is a great number... For me Odyssey still reigns supreme as my favourite album for spiritually upflifting songs... there's just something about it... Hi MJ, Odyssey SP. has been my favorite from the word/song go !!! I play it more often than any other album! I am not sure I do it for spiritually uplifting reasons, I just love all the songs and adore her voice on it. I admire her for her courage to choose spiritual songs on every album, and she sings them ever so worshipfully...I believe she believes what she sings about. She knows I pray for her every day. Love, Marianne  |
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