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Post by Stephany on May 4, 2007 9:03:03 GMT
Odyssey review from The Sunday Mercury :
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By Paul Cole 31 July 2005 Sunday Mercury (c) 2005 Birmingham Post & Mail Ltd
Eighteen year-old Westenra is everything Charlotte Church is not, with a pure voice, natural beauty and multi-platinum success in the classical charts. Now living in London, the New Zealander"s new album will score mainstream success, too, with a lovely interpretation of Jeff Franzell"s Never Saw Blue and the artist"s own What You Never Know (Won"t Hurt You) - a song more at home on the West End stage than in the concert hall. Most attention, however, will centre on Dell" Amore Non Si Sa, a lushly layered duet with Andrea Bocelli that"s certain to steal your heart away. [/quote]
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Post by jons on May 13, 2007 15:44:10 GMT
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Post by jons on May 13, 2007 15:50:38 GMT
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Post by jons on May 13, 2007 16:12:48 GMT
From ClassicalXThis is the Odyssey Special Tour Edition:
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Post by Stephany on May 13, 2007 16:55:24 GMT
Hi Jon, I found another review for Odyssey. I must admit I hesitated before posting it because it's awfully negative. And I believe it's not from a very serious source (karateparty.org). I posted it anyway because I think we need to know what is being said - even though it's VERY negative. The reviewer clearly hated the CD but I don't understand why he has to be so disagreeable and even cruel. Be warned, it's extremely harsh and I censored many, many words. I don't even want to comment it......... Stephany Edit by Joe: censored additional material.
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Post by stevemacdonald on May 13, 2007 17:29:46 GMT
Hi Jon, I found another review for Odyssey. I must admit I hesitated before posting it because it's awfully negative. And I believe it's not from a very serious source. I posted it anyway because I think we need to know what is being said - even though it's VERY negative. The reviewer clearly hated the CD but I don't understand why he has to be so disagreeable and even cruel. Be warned, it's extremely harsh and I censored many, many words. I don't even want to comment it......... Stephany Thank you Stephany for posting this review. It may be harsh and negative, but I feel it's sincere. The reviewer sincerely dislikes Odyssey and has taken pains to cite numerous examples of what he feels Hayley does wrong. Disagree with him or not, there's no doubting that he means every word. By posting it you have brought his opinion to a place where Hayley might read it and learn what some people are turned off by. If all she reads is flattery, how will she ever grow?
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Post by grant on May 13, 2007 18:29:30 GMT
Hi Steve. I wholeheartedly agree that all reviews should be aired here whether positive or negative and, if Hayley reads them and gets something constructive from them, then that's OK too. I also agree that Stephany was right to post it. But this particular review sounds like it came from "Private Eye" or similar. I will be honest here and say that I didn't read it all, but what I read didn't offend me because I couldn't take it seriously!! The reviewer (too polite a descriprion for this person!) clearly doesn't know much about Hayley's type of music as he totally misses the point of Caccini's Ave Maria. And why all the prophanities? He's just being rude for the sake of it. Definately NOT to be taken seriously. Grant
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Post by roger on May 13, 2007 19:17:36 GMT
Just for the record, HWI has never been opposed to the posting of negative reviews provided they don't merely condemn the artist for the sake of it or due to obvious personal tastes. This one appears to do just that.
Like Grant, I couldn't really take it seriously but, for me, the proof that the reviewer really didn;t know his subject came in the final paragraph:
I have heard several people refer to Steve as Abbo but it was always done with respect and affection. He doesn't object to it (although I don't recommend that we try it!) because he used to use it as part of his personal email address (which is no longer valid).
Roger
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Post by comet on May 13, 2007 22:51:22 GMT
Hi Folks. Obviously our reporter came home from his drum and base nightclub still high on E and very dehydrated, expecting everything in life to go as fast as his accelerated heartbeat, this is why everything seemed so slow to him, It probably has nothing to do with the fact that Hayley probably beat the talentless creep who is his partner at some competition or other.
But as they say "Paper never refused ink"
If these journalists are so proud of their work why don't we have their names, then we could have a fair go at them.
comet
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Post by milewalker on May 13, 2007 23:47:56 GMT
I suppose it should count in her Metascore....
There is an independant "street" newspaper in St Louis which, were they ever to review Hayley might produce something very similar to this. They are primarily focused on their peculiar local "hip" bands which in my opinion are never going to go anywhere anyway. But to each his own...This review doesnt hurt her as much as a sour classical review might because very few people in this audience would buy the CD anyway. I will note in passing that a couple of the things he says have been previously stated in a more kindly manner...
I was more struck by two of the reviews before it however, one of which in particular seems to be as enamoured by the fact that Hayley is not Charlotte Church as he was by the fact that the album was a pretty good one....Everyone is entitled to an opinion of course, but in my opinion that is not the right reason to buy an album. In fact, while I think this is changing now to some degree, at times I have had the odd feeling that, for while at least, Hayley was spending too much time not being Charlotte, and perhaps not enough time being herself.
Jon
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Post by Joe on May 14, 2007 2:50:04 GMT
That very harsh NZ "reviewer" from that karateparty site obviously has never been through a tough stage in his life. Does none of these songs touch the reviewer's cold heart?
I had to go and edit additional material, Stephany.
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Post by milewalker on May 14, 2007 4:19:06 GMT
It's motivated by jealosy Joe. He lives in a world of independant bands trying (and mostly failing) to make it, and this kid comes in and goes multi- platinum singing yet another version of Ave Maria. So, he lashes out.
Jon
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Post by stevemacdonald on May 14, 2007 5:29:40 GMT
I don't think he's a bitter moron. He's simply appalled by Hayley. He's typical of those people who like to put a lot of energy into disapproving of other people's statements. Hayley made a musical statement that he deeply disapproves of and he's letting the world know it. It has nothing to do with jealousy or preexisting rage around unsigned acts as some have suggested. It's time we faced up to the fact that Hayley is not everyone's cup of tea and that she has the power to set some people off on ugly diatribes. Thankfully there are many more offsetting reviews that echo how we as fans feel about her, but it's important to know the other opinions, brutal as they sometimes are.
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Post by postscript on May 14, 2007 7:38:38 GMT
I support the decision (POst 109) to quote the Mandroid3000 author on 'Karate Party' expressing his/her/undecided's personal views on Odyssey. I have previously said we should meet criticism head on as being the best way of maintaining objective authority for our otherwise unquestioned support of Hayley.
I think it was right for Jon to censor as he did and right too for Stephany to provide the source as a link, rather than as a quote, so we could check for ourselves the original wording.
Any writer needing to use such expletives is declaring his/her/undecided's inability to write. That is the key. This is NOT a review. It is the indisciplined rantings of one of society's less fortunate members desiring to attract attention to themselves as expression of some emotional inadequacy, for which one can only express one's sympathy for his/her/undecided's distress.
At that point, I believe enough is said.
Peter S.
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Post by postscript on May 14, 2007 7:41:26 GMT
Hi Jon, I found another review for Odyssey. I must admit I hesitated before posting it because it's awfully negative. And I believe it's not from a very serious source. I posted it anyway because I think we need to know what is being said - even though it's VERY negative. The reviewer clearly hated the CD but I don't understand why he has to be so disagreeable and even cruel. Be warned, it's extremely harsh and I censored many, many words. I don't even want to comment it......... Stephany Thank you Stephany for posting this review. It may be harsh and negative, but I feel it's sincere. The reviewer sincerely dislikes Odyssey and has taken pains to cite numerous examples of what he feels Hayley does wrong. Disagree with him or not, there's no doubting that he means every word. By posting it you have brought his opinion to a place where Hayley might read it and learn what some people are turned off by. If all she reads is flattery, how will she ever grow? What a very interesting contrast to my reaction. Perhaps we have inadvertently opened an area for debate? What are other members' views? Peter S.
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