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Post by fusilier23 on Oct 16, 2005 1:31:21 GMT
Just to see what everyone thinks.
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Post by kcuteus1 on Oct 16, 2005 2:16:42 GMT
I am not going to put anything with this poll but it is because that is the kind of person I am . But it is a good poll. I do not know what to put I have many feeling about stuff like this.
But I would say that I am not to into people getting political at the wroung time. And what is wroung with songs like "Imagine" and "From a Distance" to me they are not political , but I heard songs that are much more political .
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Post by roger on Oct 16, 2005 2:32:20 GMT
But I would say that I am not to into people getting political at the wroung time. I certainly agree with Kimberly on that point. I voted for "Don't care, it's all about the music" but it's not exactly that I don't care, it's just that I wouldn't mind. I don't believe that Hayley would make a political statement deliberately. If she sang a song which had some kind of political message, I would accept that she chose it for the music. However, I imagine (no pun intended) that she would avoid songs which were glaringly obvious in their political content. Like Kimberly, I have never thought of 'Imagine' or 'From A Distance' to be in that category. Roger |
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Post by fusilier23 on Oct 16, 2005 3:50:51 GMT
I agree, although I consider those two songs, in the current climate to be MILDLY political in the sense that we're at war, but not obviously political like some songs that were written to bash the current President, or, like Toby Keith's "American Soldier" and "Brought to You Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue" which are jingoistic, the latter one especially, as it talks about putting a boot in the enemy's you-know-where.
Hayley's apolitical, and good for her, at least publicly.
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Post by Richard on Oct 16, 2005 9:07:19 GMT
Hello Steven and everybody!  Hayley is now old enough to vote, so I feel that she should be able to express her views now, if she wants to, without upsetting anybody. However, I suspect that Hayley is far more interested in music than politics at the moment, so I would expect her to steer clear of political issues for the time being. Bye for now, Richard  |
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Post by fusilier23 on Oct 16, 2005 10:28:56 GMT
Hehe, I agree the operative words are without upsetting anyone, though it would be hard to get upset with Hayley.
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Post by Natasha on Oct 16, 2005 14:08:26 GMT
Personally I find the song, "Imagine" offensive to the things I love most dearly; God and country.
I mean think about it, without those things would life really be worth living? Get real! A world without God would be completely filled with chaos with absolutely no hope. Would you want to live in a world with no miracles and no hope for them? I certianly would not. A world without God would never be a world I'd want to live in.
Moreover, while (like everyone) I'd love to see a world of peace, I don't think giving up countries is the way to go about it. I'm proud to be American, as proud as I know you all are of being English, Kiwi, etc. We can have peace without giving up our individuality and values. If not, what would this ‘peace’ be anyways?
I think most of the time this number is done merely because its so famous and universally liked. I don't think Hayley had any part in the decision to perform this number but I'm sure she enjoyed singing it because the melody is very beautiful.
I hope Hayley won't be like other stars who are very "political" if "policital" means they always find means and opportunity to criticize and insult those in leadership. I've always thought it was (sorry, not trying to be offensive here but... ) stupid. If they care so much about what they believe they should get up and go do something about it, sitting around pointing fingers isn't helping anyone and it sends a mixed message. Your believe's are worth fighting for and when you don't see them doing anything you have to wonder, do they really believe in what their saying?
I think we can all agree that it was that pure voice and sweetness that brought us to Hayley and that's what we really want to hear. And as long as it keeps magically soaring, I'll be around. But I do hope Hayley stays out of the political arena! She's far to sweet for all that stuff! lol.
Hugs,
Natasha
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Post by fusilier23 on Oct 16, 2005 14:39:36 GMT
Now, now, Natasha, to my knowledge Hayley has never done either of these songs, so no need to worry. Both are kinda classic, but I doubt either will find their way onto her list anytime soon.
BTW, I'm with you. "The Union forever!!" "St. George for England!"
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Post by Natasha on Oct 16, 2005 14:42:33 GMT
Actually she did perform it with a couple other gentlmen at a sports game I believe in Germany! She did a very lovely job even if the song is... dumb, lol.
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Post by fusilier23 on Oct 16, 2005 14:44:55 GMT
Oh right, well duh! Feel free to bop me for forgetting. But yes, you are right it wasn't her choice.
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Post by roger on Oct 16, 2005 15:02:01 GMT
Personally I find the song, "Imagine" offensive to the things I love most dearly; God and country. I mean think about it, without those things would life really be worth living? Get real! A world without God would be completely filled with chaos with absolutely no hope. Would you want to live in a world with no miracles and no hope for them? I certianly would not. A world without God would never be a world I'd want to live in. Hugs, Natasha Well, when you put it like that, Natasha, I have to agree with you. But it just shows how differently people interpret the meaning of a simple song lyric. I never thought 'Imagine' as anything other than a prayer for peace. The questions asked during the verses are hypothetical (aren't they?). They ask us to *imagine* those things, perhaps to make people realise that those scenarios are not what we would want. There is no suggestion to me that they are an expression of desire. I don't believe these words should be taken at face value. I believe they are deliberately overly-simplistic and that John Lennon wanted us to look more deeply into his questions when he wrote them. For me, the main message of the song is encapsulated in the chorus: You may say I'm a dreamer,
but I'm not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one. I am sure we all wish for the world to live as one but that would not necessarily require the abolition of national boundaries or rejecting ones heritage or religion. It is, then, a song about the desire for peace. Roger |
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Post by fusilier23 on Oct 16, 2005 15:39:03 GMT
Not only that, but the video can actually be seen as kinda self-parody, since it shows John Lennon in a huge country house, playing a white grand piano, while singing "imagine no possessions." Kinda opposite, no? Let's not forget the context in which they were written. John was one of the few unreconstructed '60s people who outlasted that era and the whole social dislocation it created. It was recorded in 1971 and released in 1975, amidst the collapse of the US effort in Viet Nam and the failure of the highest levels of government in Watergate.  Like the 1930s with the whole world in deep depression, it must have seemed to some that the whole Western system was falling on its face, and maybe atheistic communism/anarchism might have something after all.  But, a few years later Ronald Reagan was elected and it was "morning in America" again, 8-)and John Lennon became a period piece. BTW, Imagine's also the offical song of Amnesty International.  |
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Post by Natasha on Oct 16, 2005 15:40:52 GMT
Well, Roger I actually know of someone who takes the words to this song very literally and I'm sure there are several more.  i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif But I know there are quite a few who just like the general peace message as well. The song to me also seems quite uh hippie; well you know the long hair, never bathing hippies?  LOL. But then again John Lenon was hippie right?? I mean the Beetles were the ones who brought all that in but was he still hippie when he wrote this song?? I think so but I'm not completely sure, I was never into the Beetles as they were lets say, a little before my time! And besides their just not my style. lol.  Hugs,
Natasha |
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Post by gareth on Oct 16, 2005 18:30:54 GMT
Actually, on the whole I am with Natasha on this one. "Imagine" suggests that we should do away with belief in heaven and hell, and frontiers and what not, because they cause wars.
The author of "Imagine" is a dreamer indeed, and a wishful thinker to boot. It's not religion that causes war - it's not frontiers between countries that causes war. It's human nature itself which causes war. If there was no religion and no frontiers, mankind would find other reasons to fight each other.
In fact, the author of "Imagine" does nothing else than present his own personal religion and politics - and as such I find the song self-contradictory.
Not that I dislike the song though - it has a very appealing tune ....
Gerrit
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Post by Belinda on Oct 16, 2005 19:22:18 GMT
i like the song Imagine and will listen to it with out over analysing it or any other song for that matter.
I find no need to to go over everything with a fine tooth comb,life is too short.
If i like the tune i'll listen with out spending hours worrying what was it really about.
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Like the 1930s with the whole world in deep depression, it must have seemed to some that the whole Western system was falling on its face, and maybe atheistic communism/anarchism might have something after all. 
But, a few years later Ronald Reagan was elected and it was "morning in America" again, 8-)and John Lennon became a period piece. 
