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Post by jons on Aug 23, 2006 14:39:35 GMT
Right, on the Official Forum I have posted a number of poems about Hayley and she did in fact read them. However at the time I had never written poetry before so the poems were a bit... err...not very good. Anyway I joined Roger's Writers and Artist forum and I think myself that I have improved a bit. So here is an example of a poem I wrote for Hayley and I'm going to put my heart and soul into writing a really good poem for Hayley at some point.  Hayley's Smile
A sign of happiness, of joy
Of shyness and hopefulness
Geometry - beautiful and genuine
Secret pleasures not seen, but felt
A sun, shining its light,
through all the hurt inside
A door to a soul,
that dances with the angels
What magic! Thank you lord!
What wonder, such a simple thing
But it is so much more
It touches my heart and soul
I wish I could share the dreams,
and have the mystery solved before my eyes
Just as I hear her voice in the distance,
like a siren or a mermaid that lures me close
Its something that cannot be taken away
It will sparkle forever,
like a star long since gone,
but its beauty is still there, for all to see |
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Post by jons on Aug 23, 2006 16:26:53 GMT
Actually, that poem is also about Hayley's voice.
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Post by postscript on Aug 23, 2006 19:19:33 GMT
Thank you for sharing that poem with us Jon S. I was aware of Roger's initiative on his Writers' and Artists' Board. It is a pity he did not decide to launch a sub-board here, since we already have a photography thread and there are drawings of Hayley already published here, including one from Roger himself.
I have been meaning to look at his other board and see if I could make a contribution but it meant maintaining awareness of two boards and frankly, that is beyond me at the moment. I sometimes find it difficult keeping up with this one and look at the hash i made today tripping myself up over years due to trying to be in several (well, two) places at the same time throughout the day.
Arguably, if we are to discipline ourselves to the raison d'être of this board Photography (general, not funny pics of Hayley etc) should also be on his creative board.
As we have a new Co-ordinator of Information. let's throw the idea in his direction? BUT, since I have now deliberately attracted the attention of the Gods and called at least one of them to take a closer scrutiny I had better HURRIEDLY return to topic.
It is interesting what you say Jon S about reviewing one's work some time after original creation. I am rarely satisfied upon 'seeming' completion, but toy over several weeks, finally throwing to one side and looking again a year or so later.
Hayley has commented that in the songs she sings she always seems to find a new interpretation, a new way to deliver.a phrase. Some of this can be explained in the context of her own development, gaining new insights from life's growing experience but others could be attributed to a greater understanding of the collective whole as she mulls it more over time.
I won't press this point further other than to quote an instance of which Andrew may well be aware, the reason why legal texts do not like commas, any more than do religious authorities.
Graham Greene was much respected for his command of grammar and the telling phrase but he caused consternation in his Will by adding, almost on his death bed, a comma! A great debate arose as to what he meant by it! As he was such a stickler, was he 'merely' clarifying what he had originally meant, or was he meaning to change the interpretation? It was finally settled in the High Court! Not the first time the law has had to define the use of grammar in a text!
Simply, Jon, writing is unique to the creator. One writes because one has no choice. It is a drug. Having written, one spends the rest of one's life wondering if one has expressed oneself as well as one might have done! That is the agony of being creative and even the masters don't always get it right in their own domestic life!
Peter S
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Post by drew on Aug 23, 2006 20:19:21 GMT
Having written, one spends the rest of one's life wondering if one has expressed oneself as well as one might have done! Peter S The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to ... the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, might drink therein. |
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Post by postscript on Aug 24, 2006 9:33:28 GMT
Having written, one spends the rest of one's life wondering if one has expressed oneself as well as one might have done! Peter S The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to ... the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, might drink therein. I nearly concluded my post with that, Drew, but then thought that someone else would sooner or later. So I left the space open to enable others to enagage in the discussion!!!  Peter  |
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Post by roger on Aug 24, 2006 16:25:38 GMT
Thank you for sharing that poem with us Jon S. I was aware of Roger's initiative on his Writers' and Artists' Board. It is a pity he did not decide to launch a sub-board here... Peter S Hi Peter, As things stand, I see no reason to launch a poetry sub-board here. We would have to be confident that any new board (or sub-board) would be sufficiently active to justify its position. I believe that is unlikely in the case of poetry. Should it prove a sufficiently popular topic, we would consider creating one. Meanwhile, this 'Miscellaneous' board will serve admirably. Roger |
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Post by roger on Aug 24, 2006 16:43:35 GMT
Arguably, if we are to discipline ourselves to the raison d'être of this board Photography (general, not funny pics of Hayley etc) should also be on his creative board. As we have a new Co-ordinator of Information. let's throw the idea in his direction? Peter S As is stated on the WELCOME BOARD, the role of the Information Co-ordinator is to glean information from the forum for purposes of passing it through to Simon for his personal delectation and/or to upload it to the main site. It is NOT the IC's role to create new boards. That can only be done by the Forum Admins and shall be at our discretion upon consulatation with the Moderators (of which the Information Co-ordinator is not one). Also, if the creative board to which you refer is my Writers and Artists forum, that is nothing to do with HWI, or Hayley, or Steve. May I also request that, in keeping with the intended structure of this forum, that suggestions such as these be made in the 'Suggestions' board. Thanks, Roger |
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Post by jons on Aug 25, 2006 14:08:36 GMT
Hi Peter. I am a bit strange when it comes to creative writing. I write something, I think to myself 'thats good' but later I look at it again and think 'thats ok, but it could be a lot better'. I'm arrogant when I write something and I think everybody's going to like it but the truth is I'm still learning to express myself. Obviously Hayley means a lot to me so I have to express myself somehow, so after inspiration from a fellow poet (thats if I can call myself a poet) I wrote the poetry for Hayley and hopefully for anyone else to enjoy. Some of my poems and song can be rather 'self' sometimes but I'm hoping that people who have gone though similar things can understand them and get something from them. I'm far from perfect (probably the most flattering imperfection is my tendency to over express myself) but nobody's perfect really are they, except maybe for Hayley.  |
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Post by postscript on Aug 26, 2006 16:23:48 GMT
Hi Jon S.
I think the simplest reply I can give, particularly having just read the excellent post from The Scotsman on Bernadetti is 'practise, practise, practise'!
Regarding attitudes, well creative geniuses have been arrogant, impossible, grumpy and miserable (Wagner apparently) as well as sweet and innocent with great humility. What one age proclaims genius is another age's dismissed irrelevance!
Only one really creative genius stands out head and shoulders above the rest and probably still will 400 years from now(unless langauge changes so insufferably he becomes, as Chaucer, so we cannot instinctively understand him) is Shakespeare.
When ever I turn to Shakespeare I wonder how I ever dare presume to pick up a pen!
Regarding the Hayley effect, well, you express in your own way what most on this board have expressed in the 'What Hayley means to me' thread. That is why most of us are here!
All the best.
Peter S.
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Post by graemek on Aug 26, 2006 22:34:52 GMT
Hi Jon S. Only one really creative genius stands out head and shoulders above the rest and probably still will 400 years from now(unless langauge changes so insufferably he becomes, as Chaucer, so we cannot instinctively understand him) is Shakespeare. When ever I turn to Shakespeare I wonder how I ever dare presume to pick up a pen! Peter S. Hi Peter, If I could just add my 2 cents worth: Having been in Germany & speaking the language daily for 3 years, I returned to Australia & found several things had happened language wise: 1. I was shocked at the Australian accent. 2. I didn't understand a number of expressions being used. 3. I spoke with a funny accent. 4. The Australians spoke slowly & merged words together to the extent that I found myself asking them to repeat themselves. The point i'm trying to make is that ALL languages change constantly as each new generation tries (successfully) to confuse it's parents. When I was younger the King James Bible was regularly read & quoted & understood but now a Current English Version is always sought (quite reasonably) & another link with previously spoken English is lost. Shakespeare's brilliant language ability won't be forgotten as long as schools & universities continue to promote him. That'll probably do for now. Graemek |
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Post by postscript on Aug 27, 2006 8:13:32 GMT
When I was younger the King James Bible was regularly read & quoted & understood but now a Current English Version is always sought (quite reasonably) & another link with previously spoken English is lost. Shakespeare's brilliant language ability won't be forgotten as long as schools & universities continue to promote him. Hi Graemek. your 'two cents worth' is worth more than that! I entirely agree that the nature of a living language is that it changes [and I'll digress on that point in a moment]. I noticed in the ten or more years since I was last in Wales before my recent tour between Cardiff and Llandudno for Hayley, the increased use of Welsh, a direct result of positive acceptance of it as a second language. I am sure that had an influence on my appreciation of my experiences through their singing and the historic nature of their lifestyle. In the UK, one of our problems with ethnic integration is the failure of our schools to maintain a focus on our island history, further reducing opportunities for a common core identity. Yet a diversity of well used 'English' words are derived from that multicultural diversity: 'jodhpurs', 'bungalow', 'doolally', being but three thrown out at random as they come straight into my mind..All 'foreign' words initially. While special problems such as dyslexia need special consideration rather than maintain standards and encourage the fullest use of the language tools available we are preoccupied with dumbing down to the Lowest Common Multiple rather than reaching up for the Highest Common Factor. Standards everywhere are being eroded through laziness and indifference from government to the simple delivery of tickets as the thread on Newmarket revealed.! If the tools are not provided and their proper use taught at the earliest age possible, people will not even be aware they exist! Expressing Franklin (In this world nothing can be said to be certain. except death and taxes.) another way round, 'The only constant in life is change'. Why then, do we instinctively react against change when change is the natural default option of life? Interesting thought? Peter |
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Post by Richard on Aug 27, 2006 8:24:13 GMT
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Post by jons on Aug 27, 2006 19:24:17 GMT
Your wish is my command , Richard. i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifStar of Hayley
There’s a star in the sky
I believe its an angel
As it sparkles a plentiful shine
I feel her light touch my eyes
From the flame in the night sky
Its nearly blinds me, in its splendour
In this world does she roam
Bless the ground that she walks on
Leaving a trail of sweet faces behind
Her voice soothes my soul
Like a breeze on the ocean
Tender aspects all fade into view
Her smile is the wind
Its her heart and her spirit
And she always has so much to give
If you look in her eyes
You will see burning starlight
She is grounded in everything pure |
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Post by Richard on Aug 28, 2006 8:44:05 GMT
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Post by jons on Aug 28, 2006 16:07:19 GMT
Thanks, I wonder if Hayley looked at them when she was on yesterday? |
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