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Post by Oksana on Oct 13, 2005 1:39:31 GMT
Hi everybody,
To be honest, I have to admit I wasn't too impressed by the 'Perfect Shades of Blue' video on her site. Holy has a nice voice and she can sing -- otherwise she wouldn't be in this business. However, I found her to be a bit weak to my ears. Her voice is clear, but not exceptionally clear. Her singing is beautiful, but not breathtaking. And if I'm looking for a child soprano to listen to, I'm going to look for the amazing, not the good.
I also found it hard to understand most of what she was saying, which leads me to believe that this might be due to the quality of the video. I cartainly hope so, becuase I would like to like her, but what I've heard just doesn't do it for me.
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Post by Dave on Oct 13, 2005 3:13:47 GMT
...when it comes to the younger singers here we should give them all the support we can, and if we have to criticize, we should be as diplomatic as possible... Yes, I would agree with that. Dave
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Post by portia on Oct 13, 2005 9:03:27 GMT
I think that once you put yourself out there to market and make a disc, you're inviting response. You're inviting the people that praise you. You're inviting the people that will criticize you. If you can't take the fact that everyone will have a different response and some of the responses will hurt, then don't market yourself. I think I'm perfectly allowed to roll my eyes when someone makes a commodity of themself, so long as I'm rolling my eyes at the commodity, and not the person. I don't know Holly. I was rolling my eyes at the fact she chose Jewel Song and not her. Ok, over.
Hmm, well, could we start another topic?
But I think marketing a young voice is a risky and almost certainly bad thing to do. It started off with Charlotte Church, and then record companies all tried to scrounge whatever underage kid they could find to show off their "talent." I say that it's far too premature to decide prodigy or not. Prodigy to me not only plays with a technique akin to virtuosos, they have to have a distinct artistic vision to them. That is prodigy, being a developed artist, not a developed string tinkler. I think that of all the young recording artists I've heard, only one really, really caught me. And it's not a singer. (Singers are a different game to me anyway. I think the average singer shouldn't record professionally until eighteen or so, because being a celebrity kills your voice.) It's a violinist. Diana Yukawa, as I've mentioned in a couple of threads. But that's going off the point. She, I can honestly say, had a developed artistic vision.
Anyway, this doesn't really relate to Holly. But I just felt like responding.
ANYWAY.
About Perfect Shades of Blue, I'll have to agree with Someone. My take is maybe the record company tinkered with Holly's voice like Hayley's. Also, it could be that Holly is stretching her voice and not focusing on diction. The singing technique though, sounds like her Andrea Bocelli video. I couldn't hear what she was singing in that one either. Though Holly's technique, to me, sounds a lot like Hayley's. So, maybe because of Holly's age, she doesn't have the stamina to sing clear diction in the way she's singing.
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Post by roger on Oct 13, 2005 18:19:30 GMT
Okay. What both of you have said about Holly is not unreasonable insofar as they reflect you own personal opinions. As such, you have the right to air them provided it is done in a polite and respectful way (to Holly and to other forum members and guests), and provided any adverse comment is substantiated with reasons and/or examples. What I find unnecessary and totally unacceptable is a personal argument between two members taking place on a public forum.
Please accede to Dave's earlier request.
Thank you, Roger
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Post by Natasha on Oct 13, 2005 22:08:34 GMT
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Post by fusilier23 on Oct 14, 2005 11:33:11 GMT
Not entirely true, Natasha, there's another Holly who I think did this piece just fine, but I'm biased.
And guys, I am not looking to turn anything here into a personal battle, I know this isn't quite the same as other forums I used to post in, where running battles were not unheard of and there was obvious personal hatred sometimes displayed.
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Post by Natasha on Oct 14, 2005 12:37:41 GMT
Well, Steven I would love to see Holly (Holyoake) do it live! It would be so nice to see someone perform it with the right emotions for once, lol.
I'm sure this Holly will do her best though.
Natasha
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Post by roger on Oct 14, 2005 18:04:02 GMT
I don't mean this to go too far off topic but I will quickly say that I have heard 'O mio babbino caro' performed live by three different artists in the last 18 months or so. One of them was Hayley and you all know I'm biased so I will say no more about her version! One version was by Renee Fleming in the Royal Albert Hall. I'm really sorry but her version left me cold. The other version was sung impromptu, outside a stage door, in the dark, on a cold night with no chance for a warm up session. It was absolutely sensational. Yep, you've guessed, it was Holly Holyoake. Roger PS. Tashi, I'm sure your version would be lovely.
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Post by daddytom on Oct 15, 2005 4:49:37 GMT
I have a problem with "Go Where Love Goes" as a solo. You loose the intent of the song. If you are not familar with the Lazarus Story for which it was written for then the real meaning may not be understood.
Since, I believe, Warner never released the movie the song was written for, most may not understand the real meaning of the words. I found and read the book in order to find out the what the song writer was trying to convey with the words. The song is meant to be an interactioin between Brother and Sister near the end of the movie. This is a little hard to do solo. I'll stop with the book review but if anyone would like more give me a holler.
Tom
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Post by portia on Oct 15, 2005 7:22:14 GMT
Again, I think O Mio Bambino should have been left off of Holly's CD. First, it's a beautiful piece, but it's overdone. And the number of artists I've heard absolutely butchering the piece (don't hate me, but Hayley fits into this category) almost leaves me in tears. Second, I don't think Holly's voice is developed enough to sing arias. And it will seriously stretch her voice. Not good for development.
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Post by fusilier23 on Oct 15, 2005 9:49:02 GMT
Ummm, Portia, are we talking now about Holly Holyoake? Do you possess a copy of "When Dreams Have Wings," or no? FYI, Holly has now been singing that piece for four years plus, and never has failed to wow audiences with it. I heard her sing it live when she was not scheduled to sing, and she left not a dry eye in an audience of 200+, including some full-fledged opera singers, and certainly didn't "butcher" it.
"Butcher" is a pretty harsh term, I might add, to me if you butcher a piece you not only have not done it justice, you have done it a disservice, and that's not the case here.
Also, Portia, Holly Holyoake is someone a lot of us here count as a friend. Harsh public criticism of her or her work is unlikely to win you many.
This is at least the third artist you have said negative things about, do you have anything positive to say about anyone?
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Post by portia on Oct 15, 2005 16:00:32 GMT
No, Holly Stell. O mio babino caro is on the tracklist of her CD. Why would I start talking about Holly Holyoake on this thread?
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Post by meagan on Oct 28, 2005 22:02:06 GMT
Now on Holly's site you can listen to all of Go Where Love Goes (with Andrea Bocelli) and Forza Dentro Me.
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Post by meagan on Oct 29, 2005 15:48:02 GMT
I think Holly needs to put out some clips instead of keeping us all in suspense here, lol. I would like to hear, "O mio babbino caro." That's one number that to me is never done correctly - and I do the worst, lol. On her site now there is also a new video talking with and about Holly and a clip of O Mio Babbino Caro along with other songs are played during it. Jewel Song is one of them, and I think Holly did a great job on it! She really hit the high notes and I can't wait to hear the rest of it.
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Post by portia on Oct 30, 2005 4:18:35 GMT
After the EPK, my opinion stll stands. I don't think Holly should sing Jewel Song or O Mio Bambino Caro because her voice is not ready. I don't think she has the proper technique to manage it either.
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