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Post by stevemacdonald on Feb 19, 2006 22:48:05 GMT
I had a chuckle when I read how the Minneapolis audience broke into premature applause before Hayley's "Both Sides Now" was finished.
There are several hilarious cases in live classical music where audiences will always start clapping only to quash their ovation abruptly when they realise what's going on.
Most well-known is Haydn's "Joke" quartet. From Amazon: "Op. 33, No. 2, nicknamed "The Joke" for its finale, whose coda is punctuated by several "fake" endings: general pauses of increasing length designed to tempt the audience into premature applause. To make its full effect, this "joke" depends on watching the players sit in frozen silence."
Then there's Tchaikovsky's 5th Symphony which has a false ending before the actual finale. Play this at an outdoor Summer festival and you'll get huge applause because it's so convincingly over ... except that it isn't at all. Some conductors warn audiences ahead of time, but many do not, preferring to glare wickedly at their naive intrusion.
There's a little more leeway to applaud right after the second movement of Beethoven's 9th. How can you not? Played well it deserves its own exception since it doesn't pretend to be the conclusion. (Purists will always object to spontaneous outbursts, but like Ludwig, I turn a deaf ear to them.)
I'm sure Hayley and her music arranger were having fun with this and knew beforehand what would likely occur. I mean, c'mon!
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Post by Dave on Feb 19, 2006 23:42:12 GMT
I had a chuckle when I read how the Minneapolis audience broke into premature applause before Hayley's "Both Sides Now" was finished. (Purists will always object to spontaneous outbursts, but like Ludwig, I turn a deaf ear to them.) I'm sure Hayley and her music arranger were having fun with this and knew beforehand what would likely occur. I mean, c'mon! Yes, it sounds like they *may* have done it to provoke premature applause... great idea if it was It's funny that this subject came up today as yesterday, I listened to the grand opera Aida on the BBC, relayed "live" from the New York Metropolitan Opera. One of the things I noticed - and didn't like - was the way the audience burst into spontaneous applause before the final bars of each act were played. This may have been related to action taking place or finishing on stage - but that doesn't help radio listeners much, who are only there for... the music! I'm certainly no purist - and I don't often listen to or watch opera (don't like many opera singers voices) but my reaction was that the audience behaved inappropriately - like those who couldn't be bothered to take their seats before Hayley started to sing at the Il Divo concerts. Perhaps this is normal nowadays but if it is, I don't like it one little bit. If the composer wanted it like this, why did he bother to write the final bars? Dave
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Post by alien on Feb 20, 2006 0:33:35 GMT
Hi Steve and Dave,
Interesting topic, in fact, I just had a discussion with someone about this last night. In a classical or opera setting, premature applause can be very inappropriate. For pop music, I'm not so sure about it. I noticed quite often false endings were used, and they certainly did a good job provoking premature applause. I don't like it but I respect the decision of the composer or arranger...
Allen
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Post by Caitlin on Feb 20, 2006 1:17:56 GMT
I'm sure for the Minneapolis concert the main reason was the awful traffic on campus due to the college basketball and hockey games. However, they could have at least waited until a song was finished to find their seats.
I was on tour in Germany, Belgium and France this summer with my concert band and we had similar problems of people clapping when they're not supposed to. For instance, we had to pause inbetween movements so everyone could rearrange their music and the percussionists could get ready and people would clap there. After a while we got used to it, though I would imagine it's something we shouldn't have had to get used to.
Steve Macdonald- If you had a chuckle at what happened in Minneapolis, just imagine a Ballet Company having to place "clappers" in the audience to make sure people clapped in the appropiate places! I was backstage warming up for a performance of 'The Nutcracker' and I overheard two women talking, and one said to the other, "Tonight I am the clapper. I hope I don't doze off!" The other in reply said, "Oh! You'd better not. Being a clapper is a HUGE responsibility. Maybe I should get another clapper just in case..."
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Post by Richard on Feb 20, 2006 9:35:12 GMT
Hello everybody! Reading this thread, it reminds me of a something that often happens here in the UK when a concert begins with Rossini's Overture to "The Thieving Magpie". The piece begins with a long drum roll, and it's not uncommon for the whole audience to stand up, thinking it's the National Anthem! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifBest Wishes, Richard
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