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Post by milewalker on Dec 15, 2007 5:47:57 GMT
..... but in the end it's better to keep the chicken you have in the pot than to go chasing the venison you may never catch and risk losing the chicken too. I agree with a lot of what you said her Steven, but this last comment (and I grant you that it is conventional wisdom) does beg a question. If you follow this advice, sooner or later you will eat the chicken. What happens then? Jon
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Post by Jeff on Dec 15, 2007 10:23:57 GMT
..... but in the end it's better to keep the chicken you have in the pot than to go chasing the venison you may never catch and risk losing the chicken too. I agree with a lot of what you said her Steven, but this last comment (and I grant you that it is conventional wisdom) does beg a question. If you follow this advice, sooner or later you will eat the chicken. What happens then? Jon I can't answer that. I'm vegetarian !!
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Post by fusilier23 on Dec 15, 2007 12:46:29 GMT
Simple, you don't feast, but you don't starve either.
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Post by Nordly on Dec 15, 2007 12:55:21 GMT
2. Act in a movie -- Sooner or later someone's going to make a film about the adventures of a young, classical-crossover singer from New Zealand trying to get a foothold in the States after having conquered the UK. Hayley would be perfect for the part. I remember an interview where she said she would love to renew the "American Dreams" experience. Not especially as a singer, but as an actor too. That would be great; but I'm not sure I would want her to have a "Beyonce-type" career (although she was pretty good in "https://i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifreamgirls"). I'm not saying "stick to the music - Hayley", but if she acts, it would probably be better if it was related to music. Let's have her act in remakes of oldies from the 30s-50s! No, they wouldn't sell over here- but I'd buy it, as would all other fans of Hayley here!
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Post by milewalker on Dec 15, 2007 23:47:29 GMT
The fans here are very important in some respects - primarily this site serves as a central clearing house for Hayley releated information which functions better in most respects that her official site does.
This being said, I think it needs to be emphasized that the tastes of the fans here have virtually nothing to do with the overal success of Hayley or her career. The success or failure of an individual project by any artist is almost never determined by the fans - unless your fanbase is enormous. In virtually all cases, if the project doesnt succeed in the mainstream it wont succeed at all. (In this context, I am using "mainstream" to mean that portion of the general music buying public who might buy an album from Hayley under the right circumstances.)
Also, this has the same problem as the hypothetical tour here, except that it is worse. Any large scale promotion needs funding - which means it needs people willing to invest money into it and who will expect a reasonable rate of return.
Jon
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Post by fusilier23 on Dec 16, 2007 1:17:31 GMT
Well, money is always the problem, of course. A tour would be SOMEWHAT easier to finance than this movie idea, but it really depends on how much front cash Decca is willing to plow into it, or if maybe they could get some sponsorship from the big companies that try to support the arts. In the end, though, the producers and promoters are going to be looking to take their cuts, so it has to be a profitable enterprise.
I wonder if Hayley has her own conductor she could bring along on something like this?
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Post by Joe on Dec 16, 2007 3:52:17 GMT
Hi all, I feel that a string of performances on the USA east coast would do wonders for Hayley's many fans. Within a month, she could perform with the Boston Pops, Radio City Music Hall, The Northeastern Pennsylvania Philharmonic . Also, the Washington Symphony at the Kennedy Center, and the Atlanta Symphony. Times have changed. These aren't the toffee-nosed, ritzy concert halls that many Americans avoid. With print ads, radio play ("Summer Fly") and careful marketing, Hayley would be noticed by 60+ million people. Hayley proved that it's possible on a small scale...look at the success of Joe's Pub. That evening last March was one of her best and she agreed. There are hundreds of similar venues. Decca was willing to market a CD "Celtic Treasure" for the US, why won't they further promote the brand image? I am puzzled why "West Side Story" was never promoted here. Just having the CD magically appear in Borders didn't do much for Hayley. When I look back to 2004, Hayley sang the national anthem before a NASCAR Race. Brilliant. Five million people watched that two-minute performance. Then American Dreams. Brilliant. Again, five million people watched her two-minute song. What will it take to get her back over here?
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Post by milewalker on Dec 16, 2007 5:10:42 GMT
As I said above Joe, a number of things which should work, for whatever reason havent. The key is that she has had a fair amount of exposure here - and it isnt resonating.
I wasnt going to mention this, but since you brought up Joe's pub ,,,There is one thing about that event which also concerns me. My understanding is that there were supposed to be "industry executives" (which I assume to mean people from Decca) and I think she got stood up.....To be fair, the weather there for the event wasnt very good - but I dont think it was anything close to shutting down the city or anything - which raises the spectre (in my mind at least) that Decca really isnt all that interested in future promotion here.
Jon
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Post by fusilier23 on Dec 16, 2007 12:57:39 GMT
The weather was fine for Joe's Pub, both times, it was the middle of the summer. In fact Hayley stood on the sidewalk and chatted with us for a good 15 minutes after it was all over the first time out until her tour person said "sorry, but I have to steal her from you." You are perhaps thinking of Ulysses? If so, you are right, the weather had been particularly bad that weekend, but shut nothing down, still, Alena, Tim, and I lucked into seats that were meant for Universal people who didn't come. I can't speak to why.
Joe, I see what you are aiming at, but my main point was that Hayley needs to do more than guest with larger ensembles, she needs to HEADLINE her own concerts. That's why I mentioned the smaller orchestras, since they were more likely to be receptive to proposals to do full concerts with her. I was thinking, by way of example, of back in the beginning of 2003, when policeman-turned-tenor Daniel Rodriguez toured in the same kind of situation. I attended his concert with the York Symphony down near the southern PA border. He did probably 18 songs broken up into suites of 4 plus 2 encores, with the orchestra playing in between suites so he would get to rest his voice. The audience was prolly 2,000. That's the kind of concert Hayley needs to be doing to break the US market.
I am all for pub nights and smaller concerts with just Ian and Fiona, but in the end those get forgotten rather too easily. Not that the State Theater was unsuccessful, but it was a one-off performance that didn't really generate any momentum for her. She needs momentum here.
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Post by howard on Dec 16, 2007 14:43:42 GMT
Hello...Jon, Maestro, Joe, and Everyone else,
So I am right...I will explain further.
1. Living in West Palm Beach, Florida I attended a show resently of the Celtic Woman. The performance took place at a wonderful venue, The Kravis Center (first time I been there). It was built for concerts...hey...(you know great sound system, etc.), it seats about 2200.
I got in touch with one of the VP's & mentioned to her about Hayley, whom she NEVER hard of. I gave her Hayleys' web site (sorry not this one) & told her do a search on "Youtube" & check her out.
I called her back about a month later, she remembered our conversation & told me that Hayley would be great for this venue, she passed it on to her programs dept.
2. And I was also baffled about "West Side Story". I had to order the CD through Amazon.UK because Amazon in the US was not carrying it. They are carrying it now but it took awhile.
When I found out that Hayley was going to do a live performance of the same before it went on sale, I called every local classical radio staion in my area, I emailed the president of my local PBS station to find out if they are going to carry it. Again the answer was they know NOTHING about it. I did a search on the internet & that is how I found out about ClassicFM, which aired a tape of it the following day.
3. Hayley gave a performance in N.Y. & the the record excutives did NOT show up. What is that all about? What a slap in the face that is.
I mean to me these are red flags that add up to one thing that I hinted to on my prior post. That....... her record company is NOT taking that extra step. And I hate to knock them because I really don't know. And I appolgize if I am wrong. But where is her management team during all this?
Why isn't there any kind of public relations going out on Hayleys' behalf? No wonder why Hayley is NOT popular in the US. Because just like the answers I ran into....NOTHING is being done.
Let's see Hayley only has 2 more albums she is under contract to do...hmm...makes me wonder?
I am going to stress again Hayley should just concentrate all her energies in the Uk/NZ, as much as I am going to hate to say this forget about the US.
A voice like Hayleys' won't be still, it will be heard. Let the US ask for Hayley.
Regards to All.... Howard USA
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Post by comet on Dec 16, 2007 15:20:08 GMT
Hi Howard, Greetings from Ireland,
Thank you for contacting radio stations, This is one of the few REAL ways we (The Fans) can have an effect. Phone or email requests in to radio stations asking for Hayley's music to be played for John and Jane Doe who are 10 years married, or any reason you can think of. Have requests played for yourself if you like.
Any airplay can have real results especially if they manage to get the name right .
Most people who like Hayley's voice realised the very first time they heard her, that they wanted to hear more,
comet
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Post by stevemacdonald on Dec 16, 2007 17:42:16 GMT
3. Hayley gave a performance in N.Y. & the the record excutives did NOT show up. What is that all about? What a slap in the face that is. ... Heh, I'm afraid that's not a fully warranted conclusion, Howard. I went to five or six Hayley events in NYC and in each case I recognised or met people from Decca/Universal, including then-Decca-honcho Costa Pilavachi at one such gig. Her record company took a healthy bundle of tickets out of circulation for their own peeps and for promotional purposes. They don't all sit together at her concerts to form one large block/cheering section, and many of their give-away tix were for their friends and friends-of friends. Indeed, the lady sitting next to me at the first Joe's concert was merely dating one of the execs and wanted to sit further back than the reserved seats which were too close (in her mind) to the stage. With each passing gig Hayley did in NYC there were diminishing reasons for Universal to show the flag and tie up the pool of available tickets. Surely too, it shows faith in their artist when they allow more actual fans to take the best seats. So, no nasty slap in the face by Universal on Hayley. They launched her as best they could in the States and then, wisely, let the market decide her fate.
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Post by Joe on Dec 16, 2007 20:28:07 GMT
Hi all,
It is up to us to be the voice for Hayley in America. Comet is 100% correct when he said that we should phone, email, visit every radio station.
I don't believe that the record company bosses and Hayley's management team will ever say they've given up.
Joe
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Post by milewalker on Dec 16, 2007 21:11:36 GMT
I was only bringing up that topic speculatively.....Steven is correct by the way that it was the concert at Ulysses.....
However, what brought this to my attention was that the appearance there was described at several different news outlets (and I think at one point by Hayley herself in an interview) as an industry showcase - see the local coverage of the event in New Zealand for an example. Perhaps more importantly, wasnt that appearance supposed to be the "kickoff" for the release of Celtic Treasure in the US?
I am not saying it was a "slap in the face" Steve. I am not "blaming" anyone for this. However, I think it may indicate exactly what you said. If they are now "letting the market decide her fate", doesnt that come down to much the same thing as "they arent all that interested in future promotion here?"
Jon
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Post by howard on Dec 16, 2007 22:29:20 GMT
Well then it is good to hear that the execs still like to see a good concert.
But to an extent that fans should be making phone calls to radio stations may work. But if that station does not have any material or even hard of that particular artist it will not work without the support of the record company.
I am sorry but it seems that they are leaving Hayley out to the "firing squad" by herself.
And I really really hope I am wrong.... I will repeat myself again, I really want to see Hayley become a household name in the USA...
You know I just thought about this...just maybe the HWI management can get someone from Bedlam or Universal on the site and clear some of these points up & give us an insight of what is going on in the future about Hayley & the US.
I know we are ONLY fans & none of our business in what is going on behind the scenes. I have to tell you being a newbie, I have only been a fan since Nov. 2006, I am finding that Hayleys' fans really do care about her. Not just about her career but about her person also....Fans of Hayleys' HONESTLY do care about her!!!
I will quote Hayley (in so many words), She has the best fans in the world...
Yeah all artists say things like that & fans say that but is this case it is not a facade it REALLY IS TRUE!!!!!!!
Best Wishes to All, Howard
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