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Post by jimg on Oct 23, 2014 8:44:06 GMT
Hi Libby,
Even the WCO are Hoping you make it and looking forward to seeing you!!!!!!
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Post by Dave on Oct 23, 2014 18:54:57 GMT
I have seen, on Hayley's Facebook page, that someone has contacted the Orpheum Theater and posted that Hayley meet and greets will not occur. I am looking into this matter, folks. Hi Joe and everyone, I have raised this matter with Hayley's management who said that Hayley tries to meet her fans informally after concerts whenever she can, and this will be the case in Madison too. It's not all under Hayley's control though, and things can crop up unexpectedly so there can be no promises, but Hayley will try. So it could happen, please do not rely on what social media messages from certain fans say! Cheers, Dave |
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Post by Libby on Oct 23, 2014 20:22:23 GMT
Hi Libby,
Even the WCO are Hoping you make it and looking forward to seeing you!!!!!!
I was just about to post this!  This is because I replied to Hayley's tweet, which included @wcoconcerts, so my reply went to them, too. I of course said that I was hoping to be able to go, and then that I might be able to go because I got the days off! Dave, I'm also very excited to see your post, too. I wouldn't have expected any less, but it's good to see confirmation that Hayley is at least planning on that. If she is, it seems the chances are very good that it will. The WCO and her conductor seem to like her very well, so I wouldn't think they would be too persnickety with her. Oh, but now I have encountered some confusion. I was doing a practice order of a ticket for the concert. I selected General Admission, and it confused me by giving me Section G-A (Section A, row G) and seat 151. First of all, the seating chart doesn't even show a seat 151. Second, read what I found regarding GA seats on the Orpheum theatre site: So, they give me a seat, and yet, I'm not required to sit in that seat, nor am I even guaranteed that seat?  |
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Post by martindn on Oct 23, 2014 21:31:44 GMT
Martin, Not everyone has the time and/or money you may have. Because a few Hayley fans aren't able to see her in WI does not mean we few aren't devoted to her. From one of your previous posts I was rather offended at your implication that by not going we're not committed to seeing her or as big a fan of hers. You have no idea how much it kills me to not be able to go to this concert. Dear Paige, I had no intention of offending you. I would love it if you had been able to go. And if you are here, you are certainly a fan of Hayley. I don't remember you as one bemoaning her lack of US concerts anyway. There will certainly be fans of hers who cannot make the concerts for various reasons. But I want those to be real reasons, not spurious ones. I think perhaps things are different over there, and if I have upset you I would like to tender my apology. Actually the reaction of some US fans has been a revelation to me. America is a country where I always assumed everyone was rich and free and more enlightened than we Europeans. Americans are seen as "cool" and somehow American society is seen as a model for the rest of the world over here. In fact it seems that many Americans are not rich, many are bullied by their employers in a way that would be unacceptable (and probably illegal) over here, and most have little experience of travel, especially outside the USA. I think there are a lot of Americans who have never been outside their own country. Yet over here, I know almost nobody above the age of 10 who has not been overseas. I would like to assure you all that travel is nothing to be afraid of, neither is your boss who needs you as much as you need him/her. It seems to me that Americans in general are much less prepared to travel than Europeans (yes, I know there are a couple who have flown to Europe/UK to see Hayley). That makes things much more difficult for Hayley and other artists who would like to reward their loyal fans in the USA. How can they do that without committing to a major tour, which would probably lose money, since she is not well enough known to fill concert halls in the US wherever she goes? Quite apart from the demands on her time which she needs to work on her next album. And she has a private life too. So she chooses a central location in the hope that many of her US fans who she feels have been neglected can get to. What else could she do? I'm starting to understand why so many foreign artists find it so hard to succeed in America. Martin D |
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Post by cloudbusting.heights on Oct 23, 2014 22:09:57 GMT
We are indeed not rich lol Our government likes to squander money much to the dismay of many American citizens. And I'm currently back in college so that takes thousands of dollars. I've never been out of the country (except 20 minutes in Canada!) As the airfare is rather expensive.
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Post by Joe on Oct 23, 2014 22:27:54 GMT
Hi Libby,
Even the WCO are Hoping you make it and looking forward to seeing you!!!!!!
I was just about to post this! This is because I replied to Hayley's tweet, which included @wcoconcerts, so my reply went to them, too. I of course said that I was hoping to be able to go, and then that I might be able to go because I got the days off! Dave, I'm also very excited to see your post, too. I wouldn't have expected any less, but it's good to see confirmation that Hayley is at least planning on that. If she is, it seems the chances are very good that it will. The WCO and her conductor seem to like her very well, so I wouldn't think they would be too persnickety with her. Oh, but now I have encountered some confusion. I was doing a practice order of a ticket for the concert. I selected General Admission, and it confused me by giving me Section G-A (Section A, row G) and seat 151. First of all, the seating chart doesn't even show a seat 151. Second, read what I found regarding GA seats on the Orpheum theatre site: So, they give me a seat, and yet, I'm not required to sit in that seat, nor am I even guaranteed that seat? Hi Libby, You're not even guaranteed a seat at all! So get there early  Your seat number is rough estimate for inventory purposes...very similar to bleacher seats at the baseball games. |
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Post by amptique on Oct 23, 2014 23:15:13 GMT
Martin, Not everyone has the time and/or money you may have. Because a few Hayley fans aren't able to see her in WI does not mean we few aren't devoted to her. From one of your previous posts I was rather offended at your implication that by not going we're not committed to seeing her or as big a fan of hers. You have no idea how much it kills me to not be able to go to this concert. Dear Paige, I had no intention of offending you. I would love it if you had been able to go. And if you are here, you are certainly a fan of Hayley. I don't remember you as one bemoaning her lack of US concerts anyway. There will certainly be fans of hers who cannot make the concerts for various reasons. But I want those to be real reasons, not spurious ones. I think perhaps things are different over there, and if I have upset you I would like to tender my apology. Actually the reaction of some US fans has been a revelation to me. America is a country where I always assumed everyone was rich and free and more enlightened than we Europeans. Americans are seen as "cool" and somehow American society is seen as a model for the rest of the world over here. In fact it seems that many Americans are not rich, many are bullied by their employers in a way that would be unacceptable (and probably illegal) over here, and most have little experience of travel, especially outside the USA. I think there are a lot of Americans who have never been outside their own country. Yet over here, I know almost nobody above the age of 10 who has not been overseas. I would like to assure you all that travel is nothing to be afraid of, neither is your boss who needs you as much as you need him/her. It seems to me that Americans in general are much less prepared to travel than Europeans (yes, I know there are a couple who have flown to Europe/UK to see Hayley). That makes things much more difficult for Hayley and other artists who would like to reward their loyal fans in the USA. How can they do that without committing to a major tour, which would probably lose money, since she is not well enough known to fill concert halls in the US wherever she goes? Quite apart from the demands on her time which she needs to work on her next album. And she has a private life too. So she chooses a central location in the hope that many of her US fans who she feels have been neglected can get to. What else could she do? I'm starting to understand why so many foreign artists find it so hard to succeed in America. Martin D Hi Martin, I was going to write a lengthy explanation about why Americans don't travel outside of the US, however, I found an article by CNN, published in 2011 that hit every one of my points. Here is the link - www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/02/04/americans.travel.domestically/. Only about 30% of Americans even have a Passport. Travel even within the US is difficult for young people who are trying to establish a credible work history or are trying to complete their schooling. Even after finishing school, many college grads are deep in debt and getting that student loan payed off is a priority. It has been my experience that employers want their employees take their allotted vacation time. Everyone needs to recharge their batteries. Many employees, especially those in supervisory or middle management positions, do not use all of their allotted time. Distance also plays a role. Where I live is near the geographic center of the lower 48 States. I'm pretty much equidistant from anything I would like to see - 1,500 miles to the ocean, 600 miles to the mountains. The only thing close by is wheat. Traveling those distances requires a commitment in both time and money. It is much easier for older folks (like me) to travel because most of the other financial priorities have already been addressed. No student loans, house paid off, kids grown and on their own, no need to develop your job resume, disposable income, etc. I'm at the point in my life where I could commit the time and money to go to a Hayley concert, even if I had to travel outside of the US. I'm going to this one and hope that it is not my last. BillR |
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Post by Joe on Oct 23, 2014 23:16:18 GMT
Martin, Not everyone has the time and/or money you may have. Because a few Hayley fans aren't able to see her in WI does not mean we few aren't devoted to her. From one of your previous posts I was rather offended at your implication that by not going we're not committed to seeing her or as big a fan of hers. You have no idea how much it kills me to not be able to go to this concert. Dear Paige, I had no intention of offending you. I would love it if you had been able to go. And if you are here, you are certainly a fan of Hayley. I don't remember you as one bemoaning her lack of US concerts anyway. There will certainly be fans of hers who cannot make the concerts for various reasons. But I want those to be real reasons, not spurious ones. I think perhaps things are different over there, and if I have upset you I would like to tender my apology. Actually the reaction of some US fans has been a revelation to me. America is a country where I always assumed everyone was rich and free and more enlightened than we Europeans. Americans are seen as "cool" and somehow American society is seen as a model for the rest of the world over here. In fact it seems that many Americans are not rich, many are bullied by their employers in a way that would be unacceptable (and probably illegal) over here, and most have little experience of travel, especially outside the USA. I think there are a lot of Americans who have never been outside their own country. Yet over here, I know almost nobody above the age of 10 who has not been overseas. I would like to assure you all that travel is nothing to be afraid of, neither is your boss who needs you as much as you need him/her. It seems to me that Americans in general are much less prepared to travel than Europeans (yes, I know there are a couple who have flown to Europe/UK to see Hayley). That makes things much more difficult for Hayley and other artists who would like to reward their loyal fans in the USA. How can they do that without committing to a major tour, which would probably lose money, since she is not well enough known to fill concert halls in the US wherever she goes? Quite apart from the demands on her time which she needs to work on her next album. And she has a private life too. So she chooses a central location in the hope that many of her US fans who she feels have been neglected can get to. What else could she do? I'm starting to understand why so many foreign artists find it so hard to succeed in America. Martin D Hi Martin and all, it is quite true that we Americans are bullied by our employers, those of us lucky enough to have such a situation. I have had just two jobs previous before my current employ of 15 years. In my case, there are demerits called "occurances" used for attendance. Just being three minutes late in the morning counts as a 1/4 occurance. Missing an entire day due to an unexcused absence, like being sick or due to a snowstorm, is 1 occurance; and there are also 1/2 occurances. Excused absences include bereavement leave , a doctor's note after a three-day illness, jury duty etc. The verbal warnings begin at occurance number 5, a written warning at 6, the 7th being the final warning, and 8 is goodbye. I get a personal day (one per yearly quarter), but it must be scheduled two weeks in advance, and I must work the full 8 hours the day before and the day after my personal day. There cannot be more than two people out in any one department per day. Vacation days are set in January and are first come first served. It is rare to be granted a full week off, as are Mondays and Fridays in non-summer months. Inquiring about days off are recorded. If I asked about taking a day off (December 19), and was told I could not have that day off, my asking about it is written down. If I were to call off on December 19, it could be strong grounds for dismissal. Even if I promised to start work an hour early, if i forget and come in at my regular time, it is still counted against me. I won't even get into having to meet the hourly work productvity requirements! |
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Post by cloudbusting.heights on Oct 24, 2014 1:10:04 GMT
I'd also like to say in response to Martin-
How is Hayley going to get more well known in the US if she doesn't come here more often?
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Post by gillette on Oct 24, 2014 2:23:52 GMT
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Post by Cherany on Oct 24, 2014 3:39:59 GMT
Libby, I'm so happy your plans seem to be shaping up towards attending! You are absolutely correct to realize if you wait around for someone to fly with you (or do just about anything else in life), you could be waiting a very long time, perhaps forever. I'm kind of the opposite, in that it usually doesn't occur to me that I'm doing anything out of the ordinary when I travel or do other things by myself, until someone seems surprised that anyone would. I love getting a restaurant table for one, but eating at the bar is what most people tend to do when they're dining solo. I am good company for myself, so it just never seems odd.
Unfortunately, I'm still not sure I will be able to afford this trip, regardless of how much I want to go. Getting the time off work is not an issue for me (I mostly set my own schedule), but cash flow is a problem for the time being. I have a nice job with many perks, but those perks nothing to do with my paycheck, and my hourly rate is not much. Like most people, work is not my only commitment, and I don't have time to take on a second job, so it's down to selling things on ebay and looking for other ways to fill my piggy bank. I'll keep everyone updated as things progress.
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Post by Cherany on Oct 24, 2014 4:06:17 GMT
Actually the reaction of some US fans has been a revelation to me. America is a country where I always assumed everyone was rich and free and more enlightened than we Europeans. Americans are seen as "cool" and somehow American society is seen as a model for the rest of the world over here. In fact it seems that many Americans are not rich, many are bullied by their employers in a way that would be unacceptable (and probably illegal) over here, and most have little experience of travel, especially outside the USA. I think there are a lot of Americans who have never been outside their own country. Yet over here, I know almost nobody above the age of 10 who has not been overseas. I would like to assure you all that travel is nothing to be afraid of, neither is your boss who needs you as much as you need him/her. It seems to me that Americans in general are much less prepared to travel than Europeans (yes, I know there are a couple who have flown to Europe/UK to see Hayley). That makes things much more difficult for Hayley and other artists who would like to reward their loyal fans in the USA. How can they do that without committing to a major tour, which would probably lose money, since she is not well enough known to fill concert halls in the US wherever she goes? Quite apart from the demands on her time which she needs to work on her next album. And she has a private life too. So she chooses a central location in the hope that many of her US fans who she feels have been neglected can get to. What else could she do? I'm starting to understand why so many foreign artists find it so hard to succeed in America. It pains me, but I have to laugh at the idea that America is full of rich and free, cool and enlightened people. The gap between rich and poor is rapidly widening here, so many are dependent on their low-paying jobs, while a few have everything they could ever want and more. Many Americans do not see this as a problem, and it's very difficult to fix a problem when many deny it exists at all. In my opinion, nothing good can come of eliminating the middle class. We could learn a lot from certain countries in Europe, but pride gets in the way. Many Americans refuse to accept that the U.S. isn't number 1 in much of anything, sans incarceration rates and overwhelming student debt. Sadly, most Americans rarely travel. I'm on my 2nd passport and have traveled to Mexico, Australia, Canada, and England, as well as several states, but I know dozens of people who have never left their home state. I do not think of myself as well-traveled, because I've only gone to English speaking destinations (my trip to Mexico was in a touristy area, no Spanish required) and have never been anywhere with a dramatically different way of living, unless I count Hawaii (felt like a distant country). On one hand, I'm only 31, so there is plenty of time left to visit the world; on the other hand, there are more countries than I have years left, so I may always feel I haven't seen much. I have to agree with your point regarding how difficult it is for an artist to succeed here. If you ask most Americans what they do to support their favorite singers, they will tell you they buy all the CDs and follow them on social media. Yet, I've heard many artists say that CDs are mainly promotional tools to support their real money-makers, the live shows. Understanding the problem doesn't make it any easier to afford those shows, however, as you can see from this thread and the difficulty some of us have in getting to a show that's pretty much centrally located. |
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Post by Bamafan on Oct 24, 2014 5:15:33 GMT
Yeah, traveling "out of the country" also means something completely different here than in Europe. Putting it in perspective, it's roughly the same distance from Birmingham (US) to Madison as it is from Birmingham (UK) to Munich. While I can't go, I am still elated that Hayley is having a concert in the US! Perhaps (what is sure to be) a successful concert will encourage Hayley and her management to have another concert here after the release of her next album. Except, perhaps a bit further south? Like, Atlanta, for example.  -Taylor i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif |
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Post by Libby on Oct 24, 2014 7:17:04 GMT
Martin, every individual in every country is different, not everyone in an any country is exactly the same. Both of your assumptions seem a bit extreme to me. No, we're not all really rich; I think every country has levels of poor and rich, some worse than others, of course. Most big cities seem to be populated by homeless people, so that's why my mom in particular worries about me being alone at night in a big city. The first time my sister and I visited Portland, Oregon together, we were walking from the Chinese garden back to our hotel, in the drizzling rain, and we practically had to step over an occupied sleeping bag in a doorway. We saw something similar in Tacoma after the Orla Fallon concert, someone sleeping on a bench. I actually didn't notice him until my sister pointed him out.
It actually surprises me to see others agreeing that Americans hardly ever travel. If the airports are so busy, how can that be the case? I'm guessing most of it's just business travel during the week, but lots of people take trips! I've heard lots of co-workers talking about trips to Mexico, Hawaii, or Las Vegas, maybe even New York. On the news, there's always the drama about Thanksgiving and Christmas holiday travel, and even summer travel. Lots of people take road trips during the summer, too, sometimes all across America. Or, at least that used to be what families would do. My mom got to do that when she was younger, and I'm jealous of that.
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Post by Richard on Oct 25, 2014 7:22:43 GMT
Hello folks!  This thread is going way off-topic, so I've moved the four most recent posts to The Chat Thread, where the discussion may continue. Richard  |
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Your seat number is rough estimate for inventory purposes...very similar to bleacher seats at the baseball games. 
