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Post by Simba on Dec 12, 2013 19:31:12 GMT
That's alright, it's good that some people still enjoy it, don't know if it's as much, but that's still great. And those youtube comments were just to support the fact that people who don't frequently listen to her have noticed a change for the worse in her voice since most of us dedicated fans don't realize it. My thoughts were purely based on what little I know/have heard. So I'm not judging anything based on those comments. Infact I didn't even know others felt similarly  So you don't have to worry about that. I wish I was like you where I thought it was okay if I enjoyed Hayley alone. But I always like to share music I listen to, and it's a pleasure to hear people appreciate Hayley in return. And wherever the opportunity I try to introduce people to Hayley, make people more aware of her, because I think she should be bigger than she is now. Believe me ALL my friends or people I've acquainted with recognize me as a Hayley fan, and they know her because of me. But it's very upsetting when they say "She's doesn't have the 'voice' anymore", because I know it's also partly the truth which I had always been afraid to face. |
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Post by martindn on Dec 12, 2013 22:52:30 GMT
Well, Simba, I am still wowed when I hear Hayley live. More so than any other singer I have ever heard. Although there are several other young singers I rate very highly and enjoy their music, none of them gives me as much enjoyment as listening to Hayley. Yes, her voice has changed, voices do. That happens to everyone. And yes, she has experimented with different techniques. That is hardly surprising either.
To maintain a career over many years I think you do need to change and evolve. It has been a slow and gradual process with Hayley. You can't stay the same forever, or you stagnate and become boring.
She has gradually added new songs to her repertoire, and those songs have shown new aspects of her talent. She has also changed the way she sings some of the old favourites.
In the end you either like her voice and her music or you don't.
There are very few front line artists who have sustained a career over several decades without changing what they do (OK Mike Oldfield). But I'm sure you know what I mean. Hayley's changes are subtle and gradual, but they are there. But underpinning it all is still one of the finest voices in the world, and I will stand by that.
Martin D
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Post by Libby on Dec 13, 2013 5:24:17 GMT
Nicely summarised Martin.  . In fact I would go as far to say that Hayley's career may not be her number one priority at the moment.  Martin And rightly so, but seeing as she has a concert in March, and more in Japan in April, as well as working on an album, it would appear that her career is still a priority. She's just taking a break, as she always does this time of year. This year just happens to be extra special for her. I'm very, very happy for her. |
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Post by Libby on Dec 13, 2013 5:42:27 GMT
So maybe this is an answer to "https://i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifo we still enjoy Hayley's singing?" that it's only us diehard fans? The ones who bother to follow her and active on the forums? Doesn't it shout out that others are clearly not receiving this well? Well Simba, it doesn't really concern me so much as long as *I* still enjoy Hayley's singing/music which I do (along with others who have posted here), and especially while she continues to be able to fill large Concert Halls in some parts of the globe, at the moment in the East of Asia. She must be doing something right! And selective Youtube comments never have been a good way to judge performances, I've found. Cheers, Dave Yes, she is doing plenty of things right. I thought her White Christmas was beautiful! She can't help if her voice isn't the same as when she was 16. If people can't accept the change in her voice, then that's their problem. For all of them, Hayley's "new" more powerful voice could be replaced in the future by new fans who love the way she sounds now. I agree that Hayley should definitely continue to work on her voice, as every singer should, but sometimes it's difficult to sound perfect in live settings, especially when you're jet-lagged, frazzled (Hayley's words 3 years ago), etc. I would rather she avoid the thin, nasally voice, too, but I didn't notice it in White Christmas, or Christmas Dream, not in a negative way, at least. That's not really a song you can sound powerful in, unless you always sing powerfully, like Celine Dion. But I think that would actually not work to sing it that way. It's not a belt-it-out sort of song. I think this is all way over-analytical, and too much text to wade through. i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifSo her voice isn't the same anymore. Short of discussing it personally with Hayley herself, there's nothing you can do about it. So, I think it's time to give it a rest. Let Hayley be who she is; take her or leave her. Just relax and be patient for her next album (though I admit that's hard at times). |
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Post by grant on Dec 13, 2013 11:06:20 GMT
......... but seeing as she has a concert in March, and more in Japan in April, as well as working on an album, it would appear that her career is still a priority. She's just taking a break, as she always does this time of year. This year just happens to be extra special for her. I'm very, very happy for her. So am I Libby  I would imagine though, that whatever is going on in her private life right now, there will be some contractual aspects that will be a factor in whatever happens from now on. I think Hayley will also want to manage her new status in a way that gives her and Arnaud a little more space whilst not completely abandoning her fans - something she has always taken seriously and one of the reasons we love and support her the way we do. MartinD was quite right in his summation of Hayley and her music - she once told us that she felt privileged to have an audience to sing to and that people would actually buy tickets to hear her sing. But Hayley has no desire to seek attention like others I could mention. As for her forthcoming wedding, I'm sure there will be pictures - probably in Women's Day and maybe the odd one in the Classic fm magazine but we won't be hearing that photographers used huge lenses from two miles away or that huge sums of money had changed hands i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifBest wishes Grant |
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Post by Dave on Dec 13, 2013 13:35:47 GMT
... and maybe the odd one in the Classic fm magazine but we won't be hearing that photographers used huge lenses from two miles away or that huge sums of money had changed hands i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifOh no! Grant, now you've done it! I was about to buy my new lens and hire it out to Ross for a few weeks, a nice little earner that could have been!  The best laid plans...  Cheers, Dave |
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Post by Paddy on Dec 13, 2013 16:17:52 GMT
... and maybe the odd one in the Classic fm magazine but we won't be hearing that photographers used huge lenses from two miles away or that huge sums of money had changed hands i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifOh no! Grant, now you've done it! I was about to buy my new lens and hire it out to Ross for a few weeks, a nice little earner that could have been! The best laid plans... Cheers, Dave A welcome change to the (opaque) 'microscope' earlier! Could give a broader and more far-seeing view ....... Paddy |
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Post by Bamafan on Dec 13, 2013 16:35:31 GMT
Will this do, Paddy? :je  |
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Post by Paddy on Dec 13, 2013 17:08:53 GMT
Will this do, Paddy? Ha! Ha! Not quite sure what it is? But in the light it seems to act like a mirror ... ... just like the (opaque) 'microscope' I mentioned earlier. On second thoughts, maybe a hearing aid would be better  .... Could be ta yilored to suit the listener i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif'Do you see hear what I see hear?' Paddy |
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Post by Dave on Dec 13, 2013 17:33:58 GMT
Will this do, Paddy? Haha, I bet they can't do this though! .  Still, we have drifted way off topic now and I'm guilty too so enough's probably enough!  Dave |
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Post by martindn on Dec 13, 2013 20:48:05 GMT
I'm very, very happy for her. As we all should be. She deserves all her happiness. As someone who has just lost the love of my life, I am very appreciative of how special it is when you find that special person. I have learned that although there may seem to be lots of time, and you might take those you love for granted, you can never afford to mess about. Three months is all it took for Sue's brain cancer to kill her. We should all reflect on that, and think how precious our loved ones are. And enjoy our time with them to the full, while it lasts. Martin D |
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Post by Libby on Dec 14, 2013 4:47:57 GMT
Will this do, Paddy? Ha! Ha! Not quite sure what it is? But in the light it seems to act like a mirror ... ... just like the (opaque) 'microscope' I mentioned earlier. On second thoughts, maybe a hearing aid would be better .... Could be ta yilored to suit the listener i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif'Do you see hear what I see hear?' Paddy You guys are funny. i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifAnd it's nice to know I'm not the only one hoping for some lovely photos in Woman's Day or Classic FM, or whatever else. It's really not too much to expect. Because if you don't want celebrity status, then don't be one. |
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Post by Simba on Dec 14, 2013 9:06:21 GMT
Hmm...offtopic much  Anyway to those who say Hayley's old voice is gone and that we have to accept the new voice, here's an amazing clip! It really made me happy. www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9WBbWU2dpE Around 1:25, Hayley's doing a vocalese (probably one of her warm ups) in her classical style. I think she sounded brilliant. Being classically trained I always wished Hayley would perform the more complex tunes live. For example the run that you just saw, was brilliant. And then I'd like to recall "Bridal ballad" the vocalese where she responds to a violin piece has some complex notes that I don't think many singers will be able to do. You know like they say "Don't sell yourself short" haha. Only when there's immense talent, much is expected from you. The video I just shared is also wonderful to see Ennio Morricone guiding her vocals, around 2:33, how he wanted all the notes stretched out and flowing into the other. It's a happy video So like Libby said, it's very difficult to wait for the new album XD So much excitement, I guess I'm digging into this as much because of that. We are absolutely clueless as to what kind of songs it will have! haha |
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Post by Paddy on Dec 14, 2013 13:38:50 GMT
Yes indeed! Time now to abandon the ‘Put Hayley’s Voice in a Strait Jacket’ Syndrome and restore faith in ‘a great singer with an extraordinary voice’ (Ennio Morricone) - with the help of a real expert: Age cannot wither her, nor custom stale her infinite variety. - Shakespeare Paddy |
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Post by Simba on Dec 14, 2013 14:03:16 GMT
Haha my thoughts and views about her current singing are still the same That'll be there if she continues to sing that way. But what keeps me clinging on is the faith that she can still sing as perfectly/better than she ever did. Ofcourse like you said with the help of a real expert. She clearly needs assistance, as does everyone in the world. So hope she finds the right guidance that requires. Someone like Ennio Morricone who wouldn't let her sell herself short, push her further, that extra inch, like she said herself. And that's a wonderful quote at the end I like how it works well here, hopefully. I just wish these interspersed recordings were more promising. Only time will tell. The Gypsy queen's album is something I'm excited about, waiting to hear Hayley's contribution. |
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So you don't have to worry about that.
. In fact I would go as far to say that Hayley's career may not be her number one priority at the moment. 
