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Post by martindn on Jan 14, 2014 21:15:44 GMT
Yes, i think that has to be it. The next "real" Hayley album is something we have been waiting for for a long time. I would argue that the last one was HSJS2, in 2009. Paradiso, though a great album, was really Morricon'e. Winter Magic - perhaps partly Hayley since she wrote 3 or 4 songs (depending on which version you have). And yes, she wrote some lyrics for Paradiso too. What I'm talking about is an album that is Hayley's own idea, from start to finish. That's what we all long for. And I feel she has been working on it for so long that it can't be far away.
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Post by Libby on Jan 14, 2014 21:26:19 GMT
Yes, i think that has to be it. The next "real" Hayley album is something we have been waiting for for a long time. I would argue that the last one was HSJS2, in 2009. Paradiso, though a great album, was really Morricon'e. Winter Magic - perhaps partly Hayley since she wrote 3 or 4 songs (depending on which version you have). And yes, she wrote some lyrics for Paradiso too. What I'm talking about is an album that is Hayley's own idea, from start to finish. That's what we all long for. And I feel she has been working on it for so long that it can't be far away. Martin D Yes, that's what I'm thinking of too. Though I think Winter Magic contains music mostly, if not all, of Hayley's own choosing, even though she only wrote a few of the songs. Though I still think she chose too many different, unknown songs to please Christmas music fans. Oh well. Maybe after another 3 albums, then maybe she can do a better one.
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Post by cloudbusting.heights on Jan 14, 2014 22:10:31 GMT
Hayley's 2014 schedule is 28 March 2014 - Dublin and then 14 -17 April in Japan. So at the moment it seems like there are gaps for time in the studio. There's been talk about Hayley doing more tours this year -- but I imagine that she'll want to get some new material together to perform sooner or later. Talk of more tours?! Definitely not going to get my hopes up, but it'd be wonderful if the US was even considered for the tour schedule! Just sayin'
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Post by Bamafan on Jan 15, 2014 2:07:30 GMT
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Post by Bamafan on Jan 15, 2014 2:35:34 GMT
I like the "obscurity" of the song choices on WM. I think it was a refreshing turn from the average, no surprises, hum-drum Christmas album. And while I agree with you Libby on the fact that Hayley probably picked most of the music herself, I rarely consider Christmas "albums" to be actual albums. That's just because it's been done by almost EVERYONE. Don't get me wrong, some Christmas albums are amazing (i.e. JG's Noël, WM, etc), but they all have many of the same songs, which takes away from (what I think) is the point of making an album: to be original and unique. I guess that same reason could be applied to Paradiso and Hushabye; they were both unique, and wonderful, but they lacked the "originality" factor. Most of the songs were well known, and some covered many, many, many times. Each has its exceptions to this, but I think for the greater part, it's true. To put it succinctly: there is plenty of Morricone out there, piles of lullaby albums, and mounds upon mountains upon seas of Christmas music. But there is only one Treasure; one Odyssey; one Pure. One Hayley. Whew! Got a bit poetic there, pardon me. But really. There is only one Hayley, and I want to see her do what she does best: be herself. Sorry about the long post. -Taylor
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Post by Jillian on Jan 15, 2014 10:33:36 GMT
While I agree that 'Paradiso' was largely a Morricone product, I believe that it should rank with the 'real Hayley albums'. I say this because: 1. Paradiso shows Hayley's most comprehensive and polished lyric writing efforts to date. 2. In my opinion, Paradiso showcases the best recorded (and probably live) vocals of Hayley in her 'grown up' era. This has a lot to do with the excellent and I gather quite firm direction of Morricone. 3. Aside from Pure, it is probably Hayley's most cohesive, guided and elaborate recording of her career. Paradiso was a bit of a masterclass for Hayley. Hayley has said that even when she thought she had recorded a perfect take, Ennio sent her back into the recording booth and they managed to create one even better. The one thing I like about Paradiso is that it seems to avoid the trap of trying to make an album that consists of 'a bit of this and that thrown in to try to satisfy all the possible demographics of listeners'. That's more of a mixed tape than an album. I think Odyssey may have suffered a bit from that. As an album, it really has set the bench mark for everything else Hayley does from here on in. This is particularly the case in respect of quality of vocals, quality of production, instrumentals and artistic integrity. There were no shortcuts, no smoke and mirrors -- Ennio Morricone would never have settled for anything less. It really shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as that other concoction starting with 'H'. I think that the importance of this next album can't be underestimated. I have a bit of feeling that the quality of this next album will be play a part in whether Hayley's career for the next decade is an international one or is concerts in Asia/NZ and then mostly cruise ships and corporate events. Hayley's 2014 schedule is 28 March 2014 - Dublin and then 14 -17 April in Japan. So at the moment it seems like there are gaps for time in the studio. There's been talk about Hayley doing more tours this year -- but I imagine that she'll want to get some new material together to perform sooner or later. Talk of more tours?! Definitely not going to get my hopes up, but it'd be wonderful if the US was even considered for the tour schedule! Just sayin' Hi there! I would have imagined Hayley would need a new album to support ongoing tours through places she hasn't been in years. I think there was a mention of Australia in 2014, but Hayley hasn't performed here since 2004( ) and I think that was only as a guest to Andre Bocelli. That was pretty much a decade ago. But that probably wouldn't be a huge barrier - but it might make promoting the tours a bit harder. But then again Hayley went to Hong Kong for the first time last year without a recent proper album release to support it. So it's definitely possible -- but I'm not really counting on it. I would much rather a 2014 album release to be focused on than a sprinkling of concerts here and there.
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Post by comet on Jan 16, 2014 15:50:52 GMT
I am both amused and slightly alarmed that we are discussing a 2014 album of music from Hayley. When Hayley's next album may in fact be a photo album on the most important project Hayley has ever undertaken in her life. The raising of a child. Have we forgotten that Hayley just got married ? I doubt Hayley would enter into such a task without serious consideration of it's importance. Everything else will pale into insignificance, this is the single most important thing a human does with their life.
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Post by Libby on Jan 16, 2014 21:21:20 GMT
I am both amused and slightly alarmed that we are discussing a 2014 album of music from Hayley. When Hayley's next album may in fact be a photo album on the most important project Hayley has ever undertaken in her life. The raising of a child. Have we forgotten that Hayley just got married ? I doubt Hayley would enter into such a task without serious consideration of it's importance. Everything else will pale into insignificance, this is the single most important thing a human does with their life. Oh, here we go again (didn't we discuss all this in regards to the wedding?) Yes, she only just got married! What's the rush? Can the honeymoon phase not pass without already expecting them to have a child already? That's kind of an old-fashioned mindset that someone will immediately think of babies the second the wedding's over. I think most women these days, at least those with careers, want to hold off on kids for just a bit so they can have their career for a while. They realize it's difficult to juggle a family and a career, so they wait if they can. I'm sure Hayley is just as sensible and reasonable about such matters. I don't think she's come this far just to put it all on a backburner now. Haven't you read the articles in which Hayley hinted that she was, and I quote " writing an album"? Or even before Hushabye, that she was hoping to start on a new album soon, before that got disrupted, yet again? How can anyone be alarmed that we would hope for a new album from an amazing artist like Hayley? We've been waiting so long already for something extra special from Hayley, and only Hayley (not Morricone), and she knows that. I feel sure Hayley herself has been waiting a long time to have a chance to showcase her true talents, as far as songwriting goes. You know, the last time she recorded a song she wrote without any themed inspiration was for Treasure, over 7 years ago!! Is it really too much to ask from Hayley that she produce a new album fairly soon? I mean, the mere fact that she got married during her normal holiday break time, and is coming back to work at the end of this month, is evidence in itself that she's not throwing her artistic aspirations aside. If Hayley wants to quit and have a family she will. But I seriously doubt she would really quit even if she did have kids. Take a break? YES, for goodness' sake, but there's no sense in giving up your music just for thinking about it. I bet she'll wait till her next real album, a tour, and then we'll see. Didn't the Royal couple wait about a year and half before they expected little George? Some couples want time to be married by themselves before kids come along. When Hayley said "Let's do this", I'm pretty sure she meant her singing career.
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Post by cloudbusting.heights on Jan 16, 2014 21:36:09 GMT
Libby, I agree with you. I think now-a-days it's fairly normal for newlyweds to wait a year or two before starting a family. Part of it might be that the couple wants to enjoy it just being the two of them. And maybe to get mentally and possibly even emotionally ready to be a parent. Granted, I'm not married (let alone in any kind of relationship currently).
Anyway, Hayley has hinted at a new upcoming album. And I'm pretty sure "upcoming" doesn't imply "in a few years." Hayley isn't one to hint at something only to have her fans get their hopes up.
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Post by Libby on Jan 16, 2014 21:43:05 GMT
While I agree that 'Paradiso' was largely a Morricone product, I believe that it should rank with the 'real Hayley albums'. As an album, it really has set the bench mark for everything else Hayley does from here on in. This is particularly the case in respect of quality of vocals, quality of production, instrumentals and artistic integrity. There were no shortcuts, no smoke and mirrors -- Ennio Morricone would never have settled for anything less. It really shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as that other concoction starting with 'H'. I love that comment, Jillian. LOL None of her albums should be, actually. I'd take the tape mix over that any day. After all, Odyssey is the album that finally sold me on Hayley. I love the variety of Treasure, Odyssey, and Pure. That's the only problem I have with Paradiso. There's not enough variety. I rarely listen to the whole album anymore, just select the songs I like from the playlist. I hope her next album has no skippers at all on it. I would venture to say that her next album could be early 2015. If she were to begin recording right when she gets back to London, then sure, 2014 would certainly be plausible. But we don't know when she'll start yet. I think it may be wise to remove the year from the title, because it may lead some to think it actually is coming out this year. Just a thought.
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Post by Jillian on Jan 16, 2014 22:46:26 GMT
Hi Libby, I have changed the thread title to 2014/2015 - I think that should cover it I think a lot of the above can be attributed to the failure of anyone to actually try to update Hayley's public image for the last 12 years. The whole Pure thing was a marketing scheme to fill the gap where Charlotte Church went off the rails. If the more new age album had been released, there may have been a more 'alternative, ethereal nature girl from New Zealand 'image cultivated. Who knows? But then after that nothing has been done to update Hayley's image to be more in line with the modern young woman we know she is. The interesting result of this - no doubt aided and abetted by Hushabye - is that it has seemed to have morphed into a kind of 'Stepford Wife' image. I can easily see why Comet has the views he has, because there is nothing in Hayley's marketing approach which contradicts him. Pure perfect Hayley releases lullaby album right before getting married? Of course she wants to walk away from her whole career to embrace motherhood forevermore. Something really needs to be done about this. On a serious note, Hayley has unfinished business and I am sure she would want to release this next album before taking time off. Also, writing and recording music isn't the same as someone sending Hayley off to lay bricks at a construction site. It's a creative pursuit which Hayley will hunger for her entire life. The days of the huge touring schedules are over (such as Celtic Woman and Il Divo). During recent years, Hayley has really spent the majority of her time at home and has the benefit of a husband who is around to help her out. Quite a good set up for having a family really - if or when it happens.
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Post by martindn on Jan 16, 2014 23:01:08 GMT
Do you remember a year ago, when we first heard Hayley was making a new album, and was actually in the recording studio. We all got very excited and believed that this was to be the long awaited "real" Hayley album, and were a little taken aback I think by what finally was released. All well and good, Hushabye was and is a good album of its type, but not quite what we had hoped for. At the tie we thought that she had been songwriting for so long that she must have enough for a new album.. That is even more true now. And I think she risks getting stale if she waits too long. If she has the material, and she must have by now, what possible reason could she have for delaying things further? None that I can think of. Especially if she is keen to start a family and wants to do the new album first.
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Post by Jillian on Jan 16, 2014 23:19:04 GMT
Do you remember a year ago, when we first heard Hayley was making a new album, and was actually in the recording studio. We all got very excited and believed that this was to be the long awaited "real" Hayley album, and were a little taken aback I think by what finally was released. All well and good, Hushabye was and is a good album of its type, but not quite what we had hoped for. At the tie we thought that she had been songwriting for so long that she must have enough for a new album.. That is even more true now. And I think she risks getting stale if she waits too long. If she has the material, and she must have by now, what possible reason could she have for delaying things further? None that I can think of. Especially if she is keen to start a family and wants to do the new album first. Martin D Hi Martin D, Very true. By all accounts, the next album is almost done. Probably time in the recording studio is all that stands between it and completion. I think Hushabye may have also taken Hayley by surprise in that she may have thought 2013 would see the release the next album instead. I imagine Hayley can't wait for everyone to hear it. Once it is done and released, Hayley will have time for other things that she may want to do.
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Post by Libby on Jan 16, 2014 23:58:24 GMT
Do you remember a year ago, when we first heard Hayley was making a new album, and was actually in the recording studio. We all got very excited and believed that this was to be the long awaited "real" Hayley album, and were a little taken aback I think by what finally was released. All well and good, Hushabye was and is a good album of its type, but not quite what we had hoped for. At the tie we thought that she had been songwriting for so long that she must have enough for a new album.. That is even more true now. And I think she risks getting stale if she waits too long. If she has the material, and she must have by now, what possible reason could she have for delaying things further? None that I can think of. Especially if she is keen to start a family and wants to do the new album first. Martin D Yes, Martin, Yes! You have nailed it on the head!
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Post by Bamafan on Jan 17, 2014 6:02:51 GMT
I personally want this next album - strictly speaking for my self-interest - to have those songs she's sung live for years, and are familiar to us all, i.e. Talk To Me, I Know You By Heart, and more recently Close To You. They just all seem to be "Hayley's" songs - songs she truly enjoys, and bring out the best of her. I'd like that, along with the usual couple of folk and classical tunes, and of course Hayley's own handiwork. -Taylor i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif
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