Didn't get to Rugby's large Tesco today - my lunch break was hijacked by a phone call from Khartoum!!!
But even there I don't hold out much hope. If this really is the result of Decca's mismanagment I am relieved, I would rather it was mismanagement than deliberate intent.
But I'm still furious with them. Why is it that Hayley never seems to get a fair crack of the whip? She deserves better than this!
Dave, is there any way we can find out what really happened? Is there anyone we can contact to make our feelings known? What are Bedlam doing about it? Has Hayley got any comback on Decca for the damage to her career caused by their mismanagement?
Not really, it's entirely between Decca and Hayley how these things are handled, with Decca having the whip hand; asking is unlikely to get an answer. Someone at Decca has slipped up with the release scheduling by the look of it, but we can't even be certain of that and I doubt if we'll ever know the ins and outs of it.
Let's wait and see how many Hayley can sell from HMV, Amazon, Play.com and iTunes.
Hi Joe Thank you very much me and my mum have been listening to the japanese version of winter magic which has raised our spirits quite considerably i can tell you...i'm felling a little better but my ears are still way too sore to even think about putting my hearing aids in at the moment; but i have to say that listening to the cd again was soooooo soothing that my poor ears seemed to really enjoy it ...I'm hoping to be back at school on Thursday, but we'll have to wait and see...also, my mum's in quite a lot of pain from an operation on her wrist and i'm still so annoyed that we can't find the UK version anywhere- my dad went out to all the shops to look for it to cheer us up bless him but couldn't don't get me wrong the japanese version is brilliant obviously but i'm, like so many others are desperate to hear the new duet with ronan i think he'll order it soon but it's still disappointing to say the least unfortunately best wishes sing xx
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The CDs sold at venues would not necessarily count towards the charts. It depends if Bedlam Management (or whoever is selling them) are a recognised sales outlet. In the past, they have not been. They would still count towards overall sales figures though.
i think he'll order it soon but it's still disappointing to say the least unfortunately
I can't remember where you are within the UK (if I ever knew) but it might be worth phoning a few branches of HMV that are not too far away. If you can track down a copy that way, it might be quicker and easier than ordering it online. Just a thought.
...But all may yet not be lost... the bar for Hayley is now lower and any kind of top 200 entry would now be a success, a top 75 entry would be astonishing. I think the Music Week guy has seen Hayley in his Top 200 list and has remarked on it because he expected her to be in the top 40. By the way, Faryl isn't in there either... but no mention of her at all.
...So yes, a big blow has been struck but all is not lost.
OK, and don't even ask why I'm writing at 5 am but I've just discovered some additional information.
Hayley is in the top 70 (61 - 70) albums, based on Tuesday's UK sales (which must be online and from HMV, with probably very little from iTunes etc.). Faryl is in the top 50 (41 - 50) and she's in all the supermarkets.
As about 2/3s of Hayley's new release sales in the UK are usually made from supermarkets, to be so close to Faryl indicates to me that she would have sold at least as many, given a level playing field. The difference between the 40s and the 60s probably represents less than a 30% sales difference, and we know why.
Hayley may slide during the week because supermarket sales will increase (but not for Hayley) and all the advance orders will now be included, but a top 100 position in the circumstances would be excellent.
Since a Decca body contacted me to promote Karl Jenkins, an EMI artist, I would venture to say that you're correct.
Hayley is not in my Tesco either. I went there on Monday to buy all of the CC cds, and I was able to get Andrea Bocelli, Rhydian and Faryl, but there was no Hayley. Even Camilla Kerslake was on the shelves.
It's really down to Hayley's sales team that were clearly unable to convince supermarkets that Hayley was worth stocking. With the poor performance of RoD, they didn't really have much to convince them with, not to mention all of the other artists releasing their albums around now.
I was annoyed that both Hayley and Camilla were pushed back. If they both released their albums on the 16th, they would have performed better. Sometimes I wish Universal employed me so I could bash their heads together! It's like they are against their artists doing well. I fear for All Angels too, in January.
I agree with everything you said. Do you think that there's a chance that the stores might stock it for next week? Perhaps Hayley's sale team will try to do something about it now that they've seen it isn't stocked?
It's all just setting a dangerous precedent for every successive CD.
To be honest Jillian, they would have already been aware that her CDs wouldn't be stocked in the supermarkets. Getting an album out on the shelves is all pre-determined before the release. There are different sectors in managing an artist, and big artists will have all those sectors filled - including a sales team. The sales team meet up with chain stores bosses and try to convince them that their product will sell. Hayley's team is quite small, and that part of it is probably handled by a person doing other jobs. Bigger artists will have a sales team appointed to them, and that is all those people do.
I think they have done all that they can. It's a downhill slide. Once one album doesn't sell enough, it's hard for any further albums to be put on the shelves. Then the next album isn't put on shelves at all, which makes it even harder for the next album. If it's not stocked in the first week, it won't be stocked at all. Regarding Tesco - they were selling RoD for £3 this year - because they had so many unsold copies. That tells them that Hayley Westenra is not worth investing in. But hopefully, Hayley's next release will come at a less competitive time so it will be easier to get Hayley on the shelves.
At least it's still being advertised on Classic FM I heard it again this morning at about 10.20 although the station seems to be favouring Howard somebody or other and they played his 'Veni Veni Emanuel straight after which I thought was absolutely dreadful!