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Post by morwen9 on Oct 7, 2012 22:28:32 GMT
How important is image in classical crossover? For example, Hayley seems to have a pretty consistent image as an angel type singer. I know image is important for getting a fanbase, so if hypothetically, I walk on a stage and start singing certain types of songs, I get certain types of fans. But would anyone say that in their opinion a) Hayley has an image or (b) That image is important to her and in classical crossover generally?
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Post by Libby on Oct 8, 2012 5:53:36 GMT
I think the image Hayley has is more because of who she is as a person than just by what songs she sings. But yes, I suppose her songs tend to convey that she's an "angel-type singer", and I suppose most of us think of her that way. She sounds like one. It really is nice to have a singer who sings beautiful songs, without all the garbage and negativity you hear from other mainstream artists. I hate songs about relationships gone bad, for example. It really gets old. I like nice love songs, and that's what you get from Hayley and other CC artists. True, there are some sad love songs, and true, Hayley's song Metti Una Sera a Cena is sort of along those lines, but it isn't revengeful or spiteful. Just sad.
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Post by morwen9 on Oct 8, 2012 7:24:49 GMT
Libby, would you say image is important in Classical Crossover?
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Post by stevemacdonald on Oct 8, 2012 16:39:26 GMT
For me as a music lover image isn't a big issue. It's all about the voice. I didn't know what Hayley looked like until well after I was a fan of her singing. And then she basically grew up before our eyes, going from singing sensation to sophisticated stylist in a few short years (or so it seems). Her image means nothing to me once I put her music on and get transported, as though I'm walking in the air on a pure odyssey that allows me to treasure the winter magic of paradise, oh!
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Post by martindn on Oct 8, 2012 17:30:02 GMT
I agree with Steve, the music is what matters. As for Hayley's "image" she said she was advised at a young age to be herself, and I think as a consequence the image that we see of her is very genuine.
She is a very beautiful lady, and we all love to see her in those beautiful dresses she loves to wear, and the way she expresses her personality through her music and stage presence. But in the end it is the music, her fabulous voice and her choice of songs which I'm sure reflects her own personal musical preferences.
Even on something as formulistic as singing an anthem at a sports event, Hayley manages to put her own stanp on it. That little vocalisation at the end of Jerusalem at the Rugby League Final last saturday was pure Hayley.
I would like to think it is the same for other CC artists too. I certainly dislike the sort of hype where singers project an outrageous or overtly sexual image in order it seems to distract you from listening to their music. Although not all such artists are bad singers.
Martin D
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Post by Elliot Kane on Oct 21, 2012 23:28:30 GMT
Image is important in any field of entertainment, and I would say that yes, Hayley certainly does have a definite image. Anyone who doubts me may want to recall the discussion here a while back over whether she should have contributed to the film Lesbian Vampire Killers (Or whatever it was called. Something like that, though!). There was a definite debate over whether it was 'appropriate' for Hayley, a discussion that could only be based on her image.
She's certainly seen as a 'Good Girl' - which I think you rather need to be in Classical music if you want most of the audience to take you seriously.
Obviously none of us can know what Hayley is like in private, but her public persona is that of a sober, sensible young lady who is most definitely NOT going to be falling out of bars while falling out of her clothes, in the way that too many Pop stars do. Nor is she ever seen to be rude about anyone, nor lose her temper and throw a strop. She is, in essence, a lady.
Is that vital to her career? Quite possibly. The voice may be utterly enchanting, but a lot of her fans are fans of who she publicly appears to be, too (And, please note, I'm NOT saying Hayley is giving a false idea of who she is, just that none of us know the complete Hayley. In private she may be a somewhat different person to what any of us would expect).
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Post by morwen9 on Oct 22, 2012 0:35:11 GMT
Elliot: I think you said it.
(Better start working on my image.) I guess her songs contribute to that image.
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Post by stevemacdonald on Oct 22, 2012 0:37:06 GMT
The best image is no image, just the perception of sheer talent. That is how it really is for Hayley. She's not on people's radar for being wild and she's not on people's radar for not being wild. She just comes across as a sincere performer out to do a splendid job in her career. There is a market for people whose talent is more on display than their image — good or bad — and it seems to be what Hayley naturally taps into.
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Post by jameskparker on Dec 13, 2012 23:07:24 GMT
i agree with what has been said...it is about Hayley being herself and about her voice. And she has done remarkably well with that formula. The old saying applies here..... "If It Ain't Broke Don't Fix It".  |
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Post by Libby on Dec 14, 2012 6:34:50 GMT
I agree with that. If people don't like her, it's not because she did anything wrong. It's their taste, or the unfortunate fact that she's not promoted as much as she could be.
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Post by Richard on Dec 14, 2012 8:20:57 GMT
Hello Libby and James! I've seen a few negative comments about Hayley on Twitter, but they tend to stick out like a sore thumb. If people don't like her that's their problem, not Hayley's. I remember Bruce Forsyth saying "You can't please everyone in this business", and I'm sure he meant show business in general.  Richard  |
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Post by Dave on Dec 14, 2012 15:07:23 GMT
Hi Libby, James and Richard and all, You are right, I have noticed that very quickly after any new Hayley video is posted on our Youtube, a thumbs down or two will appear no matter how good the performance is. It appears that one or two people travel the Internet specifically to do this and occasionally to post negatively too. Fortunately, they are soon outnumbered vastly by thumbs-ups and positive comments.  I don't think we will ever see a video by any artist that can avoid a certain amount of negativity, justified or not, not even Hayley! Cheers, Dave |
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Post by gillette on Dec 14, 2012 17:42:33 GMT
Hi Libby, James and Richard and all, You are right, I have noticed that very quickly after any new Hayley video is posted on our Youtube, a thumbs down or two will appear no matter how good the performance is. It appears that one or two people travel the Internet specifically to do this and occasionally to post negatively too. Fortunately, they are soon outnumbered vastly by thumbs-ups and positive comments. I don't think we will ever see a video by any artist that can avoid a certain amount of negativity, justified or not, not even Hayley! Cheers, Dave Hi - What has surprised me is the large number of nay-sayers that come from New Zealand. There is one elderly one in particular (with questionable sanity) who keeps showing up. A while back someone used the term "Tall Poppy Syndrome" which I had never heard of, but when I looked up the meaning, it seems that it could be very applicable. BobS |
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Post by gillette on Dec 14, 2012 22:50:05 GMT
Hi - Re: negative postings Don't want to mention the name openly on the Forum, but look at the comments on this video for examples. (Sorry, no clues!) Be sure to click "show more" at the bottom of the page, and on the next page, under the same name, click on "show". www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqeOUqH0fOQNext, Google on the name exactly as it appears (no space between the numbers and letters), and you will get a list of his comments, many referring to Hayley, which are sprinkled through some of her videos. Surprisingly, from what I remember seeing in his own writings, he is a New Zealander, in his 70's. BobS |
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Post by scoobedoo on Dec 15, 2012 8:19:36 GMT
Hi - Re: negative postings Don't want to mention the name openly on the Forum, but look at the comments on this video for examples. (Sorry, no clues!) Be sure to click "show more" at the bottom of the page, and on the next page, under the same name, click on "show". www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqeOUqH0fOQNext, Google on the name exactly as it appears (no space between the numbers and letters), and you will get a list of his comments, many referring to Hayley, which are sprinkled through some of her videos. Surprisingly, from what I remember seeing in his own writings, he is a New Zealander, in his 70's. BobS Hi BobS and everyone,Frankly I am not in the leased surprised at harsh criticism coming from New Zealanders against their own kind.Kiwi's are very harsh at criticising individuals on their achievements.It doesn't matter if it is in the sports world,performing arts,or anywhere else,if you are performing in the public eye people here will always compare you with this or this with that.You are always compared with a similar name from overseas or performer.It doesn't matter if your the very best at what you do if your a home grown kiwi having had some success overseas (such as Hayley)there are a lot that find fault no matter what.One example was the critic in the local paper The Press who rubbished Hayley after her concert that she did a few months or more ago now.It's a classic a local girl having success overseas and in my opinion that word Jealousy comes into play. In comparison with other publications around NZ from the concert tour were all so different and to me it is just another kiwi criticising a local girl who is doing well overseas and doesn't appreciate it. Performers in the sporting arena get the same treatment,instead of enjoying their achievements they criticise the hell out of them.They are ready to shoot them down no matter how good the player,performer or team effort,Rugby,Netball,Cricket you name it,the criticism is amazing. cheers, Rodders CH CH NZ |
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