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Post by cloudbusting.heights on Mar 26, 2012 2:41:57 GMT
Meh. Obviously it's not enough. It would be great, and this is coming from an "anti-Jackie" person, if Jackie promoted Hayly in some way. Maybe Hayley could perform as a guest through a future Jackie E. tour...?
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Post by cloudbusting.heights on Mar 26, 2012 2:57:06 GMT
Hi Elliot, There are perhaps also clues by looking at individuals artists who are popular in both the rest of the world and USA. Sometimes, their biggest successes are different. For example, Pink Floyd, whose best selling album worldwide was "https://i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifark Side of the Moon", but in the USA, "The Wall" did better. You might equally ask the same question about the difference between the popular Amercan artists who make it in the UK, and those who don't. Perhaps Libby's favourite, Josh Groban comes into that category. Or Tom Petty comes to mind. It is interesting that the Rolling Stones only took off in the states after they stopped mimicing American R & B and started doing more original stuff, from about 1971 on. So part of it seems to be originality, and perhaps having a consistent image. Perhaps the problem that Hayley would have is as you suggest, she doesn't fit into any one defined category of music that is popular in the USA. So you wonder which radio stations would play her stuff. There may be some that might play some of it, but as an artist she doesn't fit wholly into a single genre, so probably won't be adopted by music stations that like to concentrate on particular types of music. Even in the UK, only Classic FM plays her (occasionally), and carefully chooses the "classical" tracks. And because she is seen as a "classical" artist, the other stations don't play her at all. The large number of US fans that Hayley seems to have despite that makes me optimistic that she could be successful there. But to become well known she would need to be adopted by a mainstream media outlet, and it is hard to see one that would do it. I believe that home-grown Eva Cassidy had the same problem. She is an American singer who is perhaps better known in the UK than in her native country, and again one who like Hayley, liked to cross boundaries. Martin D I'd like to point out that as far as I know, in and around Pennsylvania, one of the few songs by JG played on the radio is "You Raise Me Up." And that's usually on the 'soft rock' stations. I can't think of any other musician similar to Josh or Hayley who're played on the radio. I don't think even Jackie is played on the raido. Martin, in regards to "being adopted by a mainstream media outlet," I feel that before being 'adopted,' so to speak, Hayley/or her management needs to--for lack of a better phrase--just do it. I often get the impression that touring in the U.S. is placed on the back burner (indefinitely?). I hate to be a pessimist but the only way to truly know if she'll make it here is to do a tour. Happy Spring, Paige |
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Post by Bamafan on Mar 26, 2012 3:49:40 GMT
Oh, how I wish she would do a tour here! There are only a couple of problems: Yes, she has plenty of fans here in the U.S. (I think), but it seems that they are probably so far apart from each other, that it would be hard to choose locations. Personally, I have only ever met two people in person who had ever even heard of Hayley, and then only with CW. So gathering a large group of American Hayliens in one place would be no easy feat. Getting a larger, more concentrated fan base here would probably be a good first step on her way to touring here.
-Taylor
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Post by Libby on Mar 26, 2012 4:19:14 GMT
Maybe Hayley could perform as a guest through a future Jackie E. tour...? No.  Maybe, if all my ideas I've worked on for the past few years ever come true, then maybe she will have a better chance of touring.  As I think has been mentioned here before, they're focusing a lot on Asia, since she seems to have great success there.  Maybe the more success she has over there, the more likely they'll be to invest in more promotion in America. |
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Post by tireman on Mar 26, 2012 4:21:41 GMT
Oh, how I wish she would do a tour here! There are only a couple of problems: Yes, she has plenty of fans here in the U.S. (I think), but it seems that they are probably so far apart from each other, that it would be hard to choose locations. Personally, I have only ever met two people in person who had ever even heard of Hayley, and then only with CW. So gathering a large group of American Hayliens in one place would be no easy feat. Getting a larger, more concentrated fan base here would probably be a good first step on her way to touring here. -Taylor Taylor We can only hope. Flatire.....Larry |
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Post by Libby on Mar 26, 2012 4:27:27 GMT
Oh... you're that Larry?! Here, all this time, I had no idea it was you!! I thought it was a different Larry! Oh well, now I know. :wink:
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Post by martindn on Mar 26, 2012 20:28:12 GMT
I'm watching very carefully and with much interest to see what "Dancing with the Stars" does to launch Katherine Jenkins over there. Perhaps being on a show like that will get her known, especially if she does well, and it looks as if she will. Whether that translates into record sales or makes a tour viable remains to be seen.
Martin D
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Post by Libby on Mar 26, 2012 22:47:42 GMT
I think DWTS will help KJ a lot, as long as she lasts a while. To me, her lack of familiarity here shouldn't matter all that much. I rarely recognize more than a few of them, anyway! But then, I don't follow sports or soap operas much. Even when figure skaters have been on, I didn't watch it! Upon further research, I discovered that the "classical week" that KJ sang for was a first-time thing for the show. So you never know if they'll do it again. David Garrett was there, too. He's a great artist, so good for him for landing that job! He's a guy, too, so that should help him with the ladies quite a bit! While I think it would be great if Hayley could sing on the show, too, I don't know if dancing on the show is really the right thing for Hayley right now. I could understand if she went on the NZ or UK show, but I don't know. Being on DWTS seems to be a thing for stars who are getting old, and not doing much anymore, and everyone's forgotten about. Either that, or soap or sports stars that nobody knows except those who follow that sort of thing. P.S. It may shock you, but I'm working on a letter to send to the studio that does DWTS, although I'm using the address given to get autographs from the stars!! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif I assume the producers or somebody official has to check the letters first before the stars get them, so hopefully it will end up in the right hands. If not, then that's the best I can do, anyway.  It's questionable whether my letter would get there in time for anything to happen this season, if they're even interested. Also, you never know if Hayley would actually be available at that time. Something tells me that Jackie has a better chance of appearing on the show, though. Not to dance, though! LOL That wouldn't work very well! |
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Post by Bamafan on Mar 27, 2012 0:47:59 GMT
It would be interesting to see Hayley dancing, that is if she can dance. She did do ballet at one time, you know. Interestingly enough, she has performed on DWTS before, in NZ: www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1pvq4nOTgA But back on topic, I think it would help her to at least do a guest performance here. I would love to see Hayley on TV here again. The only other time I ever saw her was during the memorial day concert, and I asked my family to watch with me (they had no idea Hayley was to be performing). Bad idea. They teased me for a week.     So if she were to perform on DWTS, I would keep it to myself.I would still enjoy it, nonetheless. -Taylor |
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Post by inga on Mar 27, 2012 17:32:08 GMT
I Upon further research, I discovered that the "classical week" that KJ sang for was a first-time thing for the show. So you never know if they'll do it again. David Garrett was there, too. He's a great artist, so good for him for landing that job! He's a guy, too, so that should help him with the ladies quite a bit! David Garrett is breaking the States as a Decca artist. He is beside Decca contracted to a big concert promoter in Germany. They have filmed concerts and PBS has broadcasted them. Germanys hottest export |
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Post by cloudbusting.heights on Mar 27, 2012 18:53:11 GMT
 that's too funny! Though, I must say that I agree lol
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Post by Libby on Mar 27, 2012 23:19:58 GMT
that's too funny! Though, I must say that I agree lol Yeah, I think that's a big part of why he can be successful here, because if you can appeal to ladies, you're probably going to do well (that's the main reason a girl hasn't won American Idol since 2007). But I think the fact he plays rock songs, as well as classical pieces is a big reason for his potential success, too. You know, they used to play Hayley's show on PBS, too, and A New Journey. |
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Post by cloudbusting.heights on Mar 28, 2012 1:35:05 GMT
I did know they showed A New Journey on PBS, but what about Hayley's show? I'm not quite sure what you're referring to Libby  |
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Post by Libby on Mar 29, 2012 6:10:52 GMT
Live from New Zealand. I just didn't feel like typing out the whole title. They haven't shown it in a long time, that I know of. I don't actually watch PBS that often, so if they did show it, I'd probably miss it. But I doubt they ever will. That's why she needs to do a new one!  |
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Post by gordie on Mar 29, 2012 21:37:56 GMT
I find this thread quite interesting and the concerns predominately expressed about Haley breaking into the USA market and being artistically recognized are the same for CC artists from other countries and within the USA. The issue is the total disregard of classical crossover by the vast majority of US listeners.
The opera elitist cannot see or tolerate anything or anybody not fully trained in opera. To them CC is part of the great unwashed and is not worthy of even a partial term "classical". One can only guess what they must think of hip-hop and rap. At the other end of the spectrum, which truly is the majority, are the listeners of hip-hop, rap, R&R, pop rock, country and western and a few other lesser genres. Buried within this sandwich is Classical Crossover which is struggling to be heard.
Along comes a diminutive 10 year old that jolts many US listeners to their very core. She recognizes the beauty of CC as delivered by artists such as Sarah B., Katherine J., Andre B., Josh G., Haley W. and even opera icons such as Luciano P. The support she has received from artists such as Sarah, Haley, Susan Boyle, Katherine, and Barbara Streisand not to mention David Foster, Jackie has used to create a huge crack in the US entertainment community. I predict that in a very short time CC will regain and build it's stature in the US. This will open doors for many foreign CC artists to enter the arena to deliver what has been sorely missed here for a long time. I see this as an exciting and enlightening period of our world history for which we have a front row seat.
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Maybe the more success she has over there, the more likely they'll be to invest in more promotion in America.
So if she were to perform on DWTS, I would keep it to myself.I would still enjoy it, nonetheless.
