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Post by Paddy on Sept 12, 2011 2:11:34 GMT
...The 'speculation and conjecture' and 'argument' regarding Hayley's personal and developmental Psychology perhaps say much more about the writers themselves and their conceptions and misconceptions than about Hayley herself as a person? ... Probably so, Paddy! But let's agree that this particular photo shoot is a game changer for everyone. Never before has her image been shifted so expertly. It's as if at long last they realised they needed an artist equal to Hayley to render her properly. Rob Harper is clearly in a league of his own and did the job right. As a result, all of our "conceptions and misconceptions" have been stirred anew. Well, maybe not yours, but certainly lots of us.  Hi Steve, I agree with most of what you say as regards Rob Harper's artistry. Yes, Rob Harper (from what I've seen) seems to have a real 'sense of subject' and a finely tuned artistic sense, something that many photographers seem to lack. That he 'renders' (some) aspects of Hayley very well is clear to see. But that this photoshoot represents a major 'shift of image' for Hayley I'm doubtful. Certainly though it seems likely to enhance significantly her media image. As you also suggest, in no way does this photoshoot 'rock' my present conceptions or misconceptions of Hayley. What really gets to me though are the attempts by some (not by you) to psychoanalyse Hayley merely because of these images and to characterise this photoshoot as a sign of some kind of major (imagined) metamorphosis in Hayley's development as a person. Paddy |
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Post by Libby on Sept 12, 2011 6:41:04 GMT
This wouldn't be the first time she's worn a lot of makeup. The only photos in this set where I think she has too much makeup are the ones with the leather jacket. It's the mascara and eyeliner that's the heaviest. We've seen her with brighter lipstick, with bright blush and eye shadow, too, but here the lipstick isn't that bright. It's just the black eye make up that is so dark. That I don't care for.
I don't see mean in any of these photos. It wouldn't be the first time she's given photographers a "look" like that. There's one of her at the Marley & Me premier where she looks a bit that way, too. And even one during the 2008 CBA, where she's looking over her shoulder. And that's on her own, unless the photographers yelled at her to narrow her eyes at them, but I doubt that. It may not be her natural personality to give smoldering looks, but she is good at working the camera, whether she's smiling or not.
In the black & white photos, I hardly noticed the background at all. I was looking at Hayley. Her poses are quite lovely.
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Post by postscript on Sept 12, 2011 18:41:35 GMT
Hi Steve and evrhyone.
Can't go all the way with you Steve but I think you add some further points to the general discussion. As Morricone said of her, she is good at taking direction, so I suspect that if she has confidence in the director she is receptive to the authority of his speciality.
I don't think either of them are interpreting Hayley per se, they are simply handling a photo shoot with a particular bias and purpose. Whether we warm to it or not the brief is promoting Hayley and that is what is achieved. While there are certain schools of thought that say within every character portrayed there is evidence of the artist, there is also the school of thought in which the artists loses themselves completely in the character and there is only the character.
I think Hayley has the flexibility to be either and both are true to who she is, a consummate professional at her job.
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Post by Libby on Sept 12, 2011 21:26:23 GMT
As far as looks go, they aren't any more mean than her looks in this media shot (not that they are mean, but neither are the Harper ones):  Or this:  |
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Post by Libby on Sept 18, 2011 6:38:14 GMT
As you can see, this photo is also one of Rob Harper's:  |
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Post by Jillian on Feb 22, 2012 2:25:21 GMT
Hi everyone, I found a couple more photos from this shoot on the website of www.nakedartists.com the agency that makeup artist Emma Osborne works for. I was looking through her portfolio and saw these photos.   |
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Post by Jenny A on Feb 22, 2012 2:34:09 GMT
Nice find, Jillian. I love this one. Jenny♥ |
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Post by Bamafan on Feb 22, 2012 2:49:59 GMT
Cool! I'd never seen these before. Nice find Jillian!
-Best from Bama
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Post by Elliot Kane on Feb 22, 2012 13:46:51 GMT
Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not seeing anything remotely controversial in these photos. None of them are amazingly revealing or blatantly sexualised, they're just Hayley looking like the 20-something woman she is in a set of photos so blatantly staged that they reveal nothing of the 'real' Hayley whatsoever. In short, they are standard 'puff piece' photos of the type often found in many magazines. If I had no idea who Hayley was, I'd assume from these she was another young actress wanting to be taken seriously for her art and think nothing more of it. Sure, she looks older than she did at fifteen, but that's pretty understandable, isn't it? Time ages us all, you know! |
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Post by martindn on Feb 22, 2012 16:33:08 GMT
I think you are right Elliot, these photos could almost be any young woman. They seem to have divested Hayley of the unique person that she is, and turned her into someone else who is much more ordinary. They are controversial for me because they portray someone different to the Hayley I know. This is why I don't much like them. It is rooted in my fundamental dislike of dishonesty, and I've always considered Hayley to be particularly honest.
Martin D
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Post by Libby on Feb 22, 2012 18:35:34 GMT
She's not being dishonest, she's just doing a photoshoot. What's so dishonest about it? It's just promotion, and she looks good.
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Post by grant on Feb 22, 2012 18:50:12 GMT
She's not being dishonest, she's just doing a photoshoot. What's so dishonest about it? It's just promotion, and she looks good. No Libby, she looks fantastic  But I totally agree with you in that there is nothing dishonest about Rob's photo's. There can be no doubt that it's Hayley, BUT these images are very different from what we are used to and I think that is why they are proving to be controversial. I love them. Best wishes Grant |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Feb 22, 2012 19:15:46 GMT
I agree with Libby, too.
The idea of a photoshoot is not to try to reflect the total inner self of the person being pictured, it's to try to provide interesting and preferably flattering pictures of the person that others may want to look at, thus raising their profile and hopefully drawing attention to their work.
Looking at these, I would say the mission had been accomplished, wouldn't you?
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Post by martindn on Feb 22, 2012 22:47:05 GMT
Well, I suppose it is dishonest in the same way that good acting is dishonest. Actors are portraying someone who isn't them. Perfectly OK and normal I agree.
But to me it is a bit like saying that Hayley herself isn't good enough, so we have to try to make her into someone else, perhaps someone more conventional. Personally, I prefer Hayley as she is, and her individuality and originality is something I value.
Martin D
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Post by grant on Feb 22, 2012 23:17:09 GMT
Well, I suppose it is dishonest in the same way that good acting is dishonest. Actors are portraying someone who isn't them. Perfectly OK and normal I agree.
But to me it is a bit like saying that Hayley herself isn't good enough, so we have to try to make her into someone else, perhaps someone more conventional. Personally, I prefer Hayley as she is, and her individuality and originality is something I value.
Martin D Hi Martin I think it's the term "dishonest" that I object to. These are pictures from a photoshoot. I've done one with my Goddaughter to make her look like a street urchin because that's what she wanted to portray. We don't know why this photoshoot was so different from the ones we are used to - whether it was Rob trying to create something different or whether Hayley or her management had something specific in mind, we may never know. The images are not dishonest - just different and I guess that's what was required here. Best wishes Grant |
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But I totally agree with you in that there is nothing dishonest about Rob's photo's. There can be no doubt that it's Hayley, BUT these images are very different from what we are used to and I think that is why they are proving to be controversial. I love them.