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Post by Richard on Nov 6, 2010 8:34:44 GMT
Sorry Simba, but the soundtrack of that video was taken directly from Hayley's album 'Treasure'. The video is an infringement of her copyright, so regretfully I've had to remove the link from your post.  Richard  |
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Post by mihizawi on Nov 12, 2010 21:18:24 GMT
For Winter Magic, I think the video that meets closer your criteria of an official "Music Video" would be The Little Drummer Boy... I believe it's a live performance, but pre-recorded (professionally) to be broadcasted someday on Christmas, I think in support of the troups in Afghanistan, was it that way? So... it's close to the format of SOP, but without miming.
Michal
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Post by Libby on Nov 12, 2010 22:58:43 GMT
The backtrack did sound like the one on the CD, though, except for the extra drums.
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Post by mihizawi on Nov 12, 2010 23:05:59 GMT
You are right, Libby, but I still think I can hear some differences in Hayley's part (not totally sure, but pretty much yes), so maybe they used the backing track and let Hayley sing it with the drummers.
Michal
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Post by stevemacdonald on Jan 3, 2011 18:04:04 GMT
1. Is Hayley on Facebook? There are lots and lots of fan-created pages for her but I don't see anything reflecting her personal involvement or that of her management company.
2. Does HWI have a Facebook page of its own? It may seem unnecessary, but it's actually a great way to network the site.
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Post by martindn on Jan 3, 2011 18:11:01 GMT
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Post by stevemacdonald on Jan 4, 2011 2:47:24 GMT
Hi Martin,
The first site you named is very light on content. Nothing to it aside from Hayley's Wiki bio and some YouTube links. The other site — Belinda's — is better but is obviously not done by Hayley herself.
What I'd like to see is a robust Facebook presence for Hayley, full of invites and updates. Many other artists are doing so. It would be a shame if she is denied the spectacular networking advantage that Facebook provides. And ditto for HWI!
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Post by spiderman on Jan 4, 2011 3:17:40 GMT
Hi Martin, The first site you named is very light on content. Nothing to it aside from Hayley's Wiki bio and some YouTube links. The other site — Belinda's — is better but is obviously not done by Hayley herself. What I'd like to see is a robust Facebook presence for Hayley, full of invites and updates. Many other artists are doing so. It would be a shame if she is denied the spectacular networking advantage that Facebook provides. And ditto for HWI! the first site you see [ie, the new one] is one of a series of generic facebook pages that were created recently; my guess is that they were intended to be self updating, and not require a moderator to oversee content. thus solving the problem of what to do with fanpages that the moderator has left. and will forever have no content but still take up bandwidth. i dontthink hwi needs a facebook page. my problem is that i dont know what would be there. there is no point in duplicating this page on facebook. we could, however, benefit from some promotion. i agree that hayley needs a facebook page to promote her. its the modern way. my hope is that there is a way for her people to use the new page in promoting her in the fan-inclusive way steve has mentioned. my concern is that there isnt. most of the generic pages dont seem to be modified from the general format. she does need promotion. perhaps that role could be enhanced in her website or even a more regular and content driven e-newsletter. the twitter is a wonderful opportunity to see the warm, human side of hayley. i hope that never changes. i have no idea whether she physically typesd it herself but at least it feels like a real person not an advert. it adds intimacy, which is engaging or maybe this is an opportunity for belinda to further develop the promotional aspects of her own page. the worse thing to do is have a third facebook page. we need to avoid fragmenting her promotion/ presence. the asem goes for spinnig off into another forum. The harder you make it to keep up with a celebrity the less {more casual} fans will try. this has become quite a novel so im going to finish up now. the spiderman |
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Post by Richard on Jan 4, 2011 8:24:04 GMT
Hello folks!  I'll quote Hayley's last post from her Facebook group for information: Richard |
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Post by Libby on Jan 4, 2011 19:45:11 GMT
Hayley did have her own private account, but of course only her close friends would be able to see. I'm not sure it's there anymore, since the link (Hayles Westy) has been removed from her FB site.
I think it's a lot already that she's updating Twitter. However, some stars, like Orla Fallon, Grace Bawden, and (of course) Josh Groban, post messages that appear on both their Facebook and Twitter pages. It would be great if Hayley could do something like that. That way, she only has to write one message, but it would be posted 2 places at once. I have no idea how they do it, but I'm sure somebody could figure it out for her.
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Post by martindn on Jan 4, 2011 21:21:12 GMT
I think Hayley appreciates that a quick tweet can be done - er.. quickly. And yes, I am sure that Hayley does it herself. She tweets from all over the place, once from the M1 on the way to a gig, with photographic evidence to prove it, somewhere in Northamptonshire I think.
Facebook would take up more of her time, so is probably best done by someone else, e.g. Bandana. But I agree, she should find a way to use all the tools that are available. That is if she really is interested in promoting herself.
I always get the feeling that Hayley is in it for the joy of what she does rather than for the money. So whilst she can sing to full houses most of the time, make a good living and make the music that she loves, it occurs to me that huge fame might not be her priority, and she might not want to become a world superstar. If she did that the likes of us might not be able to afford to see her, and she would have to play huge venues all the time when I think she prefers the smaller ones. And she would not be able to go places without being recognised.
Martin D
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Post by spiderman on Jan 5, 2011 20:47:17 GMT
I always get the feeling that Hayley is in it for the joy of what she does rather than for the money. So whilst she can sing to full houses most of the time, make a good living and make the music that she loves, it occurs to me that huge fame might not be her priority, and she might not want to become a world superstar. If she did that the likes of us might not be able to afford to see her, and she would have to play huge venues all the time when I think she prefers the smaller ones. And she would not be able to go places without being recognised. Martin D she probably does do it for love martin, hence the sparkly smile we are so fond of. her management, however, might want some return from there investment... the issue isnt so much about "promotion" but "engagement". anyone can have an advertising campaign which will be successful to various degrees. engagement is a slightly different issue. its more about closeness. Fans are highly engaged people; as compared to casual people who buy a ticket cos they know who she is. the twitter page is very engaging, but not overtly promotional. it makes us feel closer to the human side of the pretty singing. my interpretation of the current discussion is that steve feels that facebook could be used to better advance hayley's career. which is probably true. i agree she probably shouldnt feel a need to do it herself... she does too much for us already. the problem with not promoting oneself is that generally, you keep the fans you have [minus a few who move on to other things] but dont get too many new ones. she is already a world superstar [as you put it] just not in the same market as emily and co. it wouldnt be comfortable for her anyway. the spiderman |
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Post by martindn on Jan 5, 2011 23:29:23 GMT
Hi Spiderman,
Well, she certainly made a lot of new fans in Taiwan and China recently. Her fan base is still growing, despite a relative lack of promotion.
And yes, she is certainly a superstar to those who know her, and they come from all over the world. But she is not a household name among the general public like Lady Gaga or Cheryl Cole for instance, or even Katherine Jenkins (in the UK at least)!
And I agree, we fans are people that actually believe in her, and want to see her do well and achieve the fame and fortune that we feel her talent and hard work so richly deserve. We have to suffer a certain amount of ridicule from friends too. But we perhaps ought to stop first and ask what Hayley actually wants to achieve, and then try our best to support her.
I still maintain that Hayley has "The World at her Feet", and can achieve whatever she chooses.
Martin D
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Post by Libby on Jan 6, 2011 4:38:39 GMT
As I mentioned, posting on Facebook as well as Twitter wouldn't have to take any extra time, if it were made so that her messages for the day were put out simultaneously on both Twitter and Facebook. If her people could just do that for her, she could reach Twitter and Facebook fans all at the same time, with no extra effort from Hayley herself.  And as I've said numerous times on this forum, she wouldn't have to be a superstar. Just more well-known world-wide. Enough so that she can tour more places. Spiderman, being a superstar sometimes means you tour less often... sure, you fill huge arenas, and go on big long tours, but many artists only tour when they have an album out. Sure, the UK might not see her all year, every year, like they so often do, but at least then more fans would get to see her, even if it's not all the time. I haven't seen Josh Groban in over 2 years!  Since he just released an album, I'm sure I'll see him later this year, though! |
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Post by martindn on Jan 6, 2011 22:56:26 GMT
Hi Libby,
I get the impression that Hayley enjoys performing in relatively small locations, where she can feel she is performing to friends. And often she is, since she sees the same faces near the front of the audience time after time in the UK. We know, because she had said so, that she likes to connect with her audience.
The Christmas concerts were a revelation, absolutely wonderful shows, and you felt that Hayley was really enjoying herself as much as we were. It was a privelege to be there.
The question arises though of how well known she wants to be. She sells out most of the places she performs, including some very large venues indeed in some parts of the world. Hayley seems to be a private person really, - would she really want to be instantly recognised everywhere she goes, and have the media digging into her private life like so many other celebrities?
Many people are amazed that Hayley is not much better known. She is so talented that it seems beyond belief that she is not a household name all over the world. If she isn't it is either because of a concerted media campaign to supress news about her, which I find hard to believe - what could anyone have against a lovely girl like Hayley, or because Hayley herself prefers to keep things low key. I'm beginning to suspect the latter.
As for Facebook, it seems to me that her new account is the beginning of something that will make use of this medium. Not really up to speed yet - we shall have to wai and see.
Martin D
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Since he just released an album, I'm sure I'll see him later this year, though!