Cardiff - 31 July 2010 CANCELLED

[roger]

Hi Martin D,

Jul 19, 2010 23:02:44 GMT martindn said:

Of course there can always be unforseen circumstances such as illness that prevent a show from taking place.

Oh sure, that is unavoidable and accepted but it is all the more reason why all other events should go ahead once contracts have been signed and ticket sales have begun.

I am dismayed by so many cancellations and I hadn't even booked any of them. I can barely imagine how anyone feels if they did.

Roger

[roger]

I was going to refrain from saying this but I feel it needs to be said. I gather that the first we knew of the Cardiff cancellation was when Koshka posted the news this morning. Keith later commented that he noticed it had been removed from the venue's website "last week". That means Bedlam must have known "last week". So why didn't they tell us? Instead, they let us continue to advertise an event that was never going to take place. Sorry Bedlam, I know you're busy but that is unprofessional and after seven years of supporting Hayley, I feel that HWI and all its members deserve better than that.

I'll say no more.... for now!

Roger

[larryhauck]

Jul 19, 2010 22:51:21 GMT @roger said:

Jul 19, 2010 21:07:39 GMT @larryhauck said:

I think Hayley owes her fans an explanation.

Hi Larry,

I agree with everything you have said here and in the General thread but with one exception. Hayley owes us nothing. It is not her job to give details of her schedule or to explain the reasons for any cancellations. Under the circumstances, I feel that Bedlam Management do have a moral obligation to explain, as you suggested, in the interests of public relations. For them to pass it off as "logistical reasons" is NOT acceptable. Contracts between managers and venues must be signed for all events. Any logistical problems should be resolved in advance of those contracts being signed.

I am not suggesting this is the reason because I don't know any more than anybody else but I understand that recording sessions usually take priority over all live performaces. There may be valid reasons for that but, if it happens too often, the fans will not accept it which, ultimately, will have an adverse effect on sales figures of those recordings.

Whatever the outcome, this situation makes a complete farce of obtaining "confirmation from Bedlam Management" because, clearly, that now means NOTHING.

My condolences to all members who have been affected by this wholly unacceptable situation.

Roger

Hi Roger

I'm not trying to split hairs with you as I think we are mostly in agreement. However the performer is the one who profits from their fans. Having said that I understand the performer can't manage every nuance of their schedules; but isn't it the performer the one that pays the price for these 11Th hour cancellations.
Another thing that troubles me is the fact that people are not supporting the enormity of the BOB and the courage of the English and the other allies that sacraficed so much that they can live freely.
Although I was a young child during WW2 my father went to fight for the allied forces. So it's a special thing to me.
I applaud Hayley for her endeavors with the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan; but had it not have been for the sacrifices made by the allies during and after the BOB the world would have been a very different place today.


Larry

[hammer]

this is very frustrating ,as the 2 shows I have booked have been pulled .I agree with others on the forum ,if the artist is sick then that is not a problem ,but to cancel concerts like this is showing no regard for the paying public ,and more importantly the true fans .Living in the UK it is not a problem ,as all it means is a refund ,and the pain of not seeing Hayley one more time .But for Karsten ,Larry and the others who travel abroad this has become a costly affair .All this on top of the Buxton fiasco.Hayley ,I think needs a more professional outfit to manage her ,and to be honest should have played the shows regardless of how many tickets have been sold. I have been going to concerts for many years, and have never known anybody cancel ,rearrange shows like Hayley . Saying that I will always support her and her music ,and when we do all get to see her ,you know the wait has been worth it. Mike

[Jillian]

Hi everyone,

While I understand that this is all very disappointing, it must be remembered that Hayley herself shouldn't be blamed for this.

It's highly likely that she's caught between a rock and a hard place with all of this and may not have any choice in the matter. We all know that Hayley herself loves live performing more than anything and is probably very upset about all of this.

So regardless of our grievences with the 'powers that be', we musn't let this tarnish Hayley.

If it's perceived that Hayley isn't being treated fairly, it's times like these that she needs the dedicated bunch of fans she has here at HWI more than anything.

Cheers,
Jillian

[roger]

Jul 20, 2010 4:19:27 GMT @larryhauck said:

I'm not trying to split hairs with you as I think we are mostly in agreement. However the performer is the one who profits from their fans. Having said that I understand the performer can't manage every nuance of their schedules; but isn't it the performer the one that pays the price for these 11Th hour cancellations.

Oh, I absolutely agree with you but it is still not the performer’s job to get involved with giving information or explanations such as this. However, if she is aware of the discontent amongst her fans, she would be well advised to have a quiet word with her managers to ensure they do just that.

Jul 20, 2010 4:19:27 GMT @larryhauck said:

Another thing that troubles me is the fact that people are not supporting the enormity of the BOB and the courage of the English and the other allies that sacraficed so much that they can live freely.

If these concerts have failed due to insufficient ticket sales (and we don’t know that for sure), I don’t think we can necessarily conclude that people are not supporting the allied forces. There are many ways to do that and I believe the level of support they receive is, on the whole, pretty good. If people choose to attend a concert, it primarily to be entertained. If that happens to benefit the troops in some way, that’s fine, but it isn’t the main reason for going.

Whatever the reason, yes it is performer who ultimately pays the price for last minute cancellations. And unless we get a satisfactory explanation, that price could be very high.

Roger

[roger]

Hi Jillian,

Yes, you're quite right. I cannot see any way that this would be Hayley's fault because she has very little input into her schedule - and she shouldn't need to. Nevertheless, many of her fans will blame her because they don't know any different (I don't mean members of this forum but her greater fanbase as a whole). It is largely because of my concern for the impact it will have on her reputation that has caused me to become involved in this discussion. If the truth be known, she probably feels just as bad about this situation as we do.

Roger

[Karsten]

Hi Roger,

I’ve to agree: The crucial point is that the concerts were cancelled on short notice and that her name stands on the doorbell panel - on the concert posters as well as on the official site.

BTW: The cancellation letter from Cardiff is dated 16 July whilst the official site still announces the concert – on 20 July, noon BST.

Cheers, Karsten

[Dave]

Hi everyone,

Can I remind everyone that this thread is to discuss the scheduled (and subsequently cancelled) Cardiff concert. There is a discussion about some of the wider issues in the Battle of Britain - General Thread

Thanks!

Dave

[Belinda]

I would say this subject is pretty much closed nothings going to change now


Belinda