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Post by spiderman on Nov 24, 2009 8:39:31 GMT
hi all.
comet... happy? maybe not. she does look a little serious in some of the pictures.. i wouldnt say uncomfortable, really; its more, this is new for me and doesnt feel quite right [but not actually in a bad way]; pardon me for presuming to read her mind though.
its not that "grown up" really; its a strange outfit, sort of short [but then so is the "teddy bear" outfit, which looks quite delightfully girly] and formal.
dori, in regards to #'s 35, 42; i agree with you; perhaps we should be taking more notice of the issue the ball raises instead of the issue she isnt raising.
libby, all the high schools around here have balls once a year. its quite someothing but i arent aware of any formal balls that grownups frequent.
the spiderman.
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Post by Dori on Nov 24, 2009 9:56:38 GMT
Well, since this thread is about the ball, and Hayley wore this dress to the ball, and we really don't know anything further about it at all, what ARE we supposed to discuss in this thread? We didn't hear the song, or anything else they said or did. Dori, I never said the dress was raunchy. It was just a bit of a shock to see Hayley wearing that. Even though the dress is short, it looks huge. It's huge and small at the same time. I think now I'm starting to get a little used to it now, but it was just a bit surprising at first. I guess it's not so bad, but still not my favorite. Sorry I was so critical, I never meant to criticize Hayley herself. I'm not judging her. I think I was just disappointed because I had been expecting a beautiful, elegant new gown. As I said, when I think of a ball, I think of Cinderella. That dress doesn't exactly say Cinderella to me. I didn't even know they had balls these days! So, what do I know? Don't pay attention to the ignorant American. Hi Libby, First of all, I think it's unfair to call yourself 'the ignorant American', not to mention that there are other Americans on this forum (including myself) who don't appreciate the insinuation that Americans are 'ignorant'. However, I do not want to exaggerate the matter because I know you are not targeting this comment at anyone. Secondly, I appreciate you saying that you didn't mean to criticize Hayley. Thanks for clearing that up - that was rather unclear. However, saying that you're getting used to the dress puzzles me. What is there to get used to? If it's not raunchy, what is the problem? Balls don't have traditional ball gowns anymore and have not had so for over a decade. Girls wear much shorter dresses, yet much fancier dresses to balls. Expecting Hayley to dress like Cinderella might be asking for much! I also certainly don't think anyone should make Hayley feel like she is thought of differently because of this dress! I hope no one has personally voiced a negative opinion of Hayley's dress to her. Dori
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Post by Dave on Nov 24, 2009 17:35:26 GMT
Hi Dori, I think that's a pretty good summary of the situation as I see it too and most members seem to agree with you about the dress, but I think we have to accept that one or two members simply don't like the style. If they don't, that's OK - as long as they remain respectful and polite in their comments. I'm with the majority, I think it's great! But we are in danger of forgetting the purpose of this event so I will reproduce the news report about it from Ronan Keating's website, which puts it all into perpective: And from the website of the Marie Keating Foundation: This was a charity event organised by Ronan Keating, other members of his family and the foundation and I have absolutely no doubt that what Hayley wore met with the complete approval of the organisers and was entirely appropriate for that charity event. The above quotes also place into perpective the previous debate about Hayley's dress. This was an important charity event for the Keatings and for Hayley - we should remember this and be supportive. It also confirms if a confirmation was needed that Hayley is now an established part of the London music scene. Most important of all: Hayley helped to raise over a million dollars in one evening for cancer research.Dave
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Post by grant on Nov 24, 2009 18:49:47 GMT
Hi Dave
Many thanks for putting this event into perspective. I think it's true to say that, irrespective of Hayley's fashion choice for the evening, she would have been our talking point, so I'm delighted to hear that Hayley did her part to make it such a huge success.
At one time we seemed always to be talking about Hayley being in demand as a duet partner, now it seems, she's just as much in demand for fund raisers like this very worthwhile one for breast cancer.
As this is an area that Hayley feels very strongly about, I'm sure she will be delighted.
Best wishes Grant
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Post by Richard on Nov 25, 2009 9:16:19 GMT
Well done Hayley! Richard
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Post by Libby on Nov 25, 2009 20:36:09 GMT
libby, all the high schools around here have balls once a year. its quite someothing but i arent aware of any formal balls that grownups frequent. Around here we call it a "prom". And they do usually wear fancy, beautiful dresses. The reason I said I was "getting used to it" was as I said, it's different than anything we've ever seen her wear. I'm not used to seeing her wear a dress like this, so I was surprised to see it. What is so terrible about that? Just because I don't think it's raunchy doesn't mean I think it's wonderful. It's like somebody said, it looks more like a costume. I just happen to like nice, pretty dresses, and I'm sorry, but I wouldn't put this dress into that category. It doesn't mean I think it's horrible, just that it's not my cup of tea. I have no apologies for that. You can't expect everyone to like this dress, and it shouldn't be surprising if people aren't crazy about it. My reaction to it is not really any worse than anyone else's on this thread. I shouldn't have to defend myself just because I don't like it. I think some of you are making a bigger deal about my opinion than is necessary. It was not clear that I wasn't judging Hayley? Because I said it "isn't Hayley"? Grant was the one who said we'd think she was a pop star if we didn't know it was Hayley, and I was just saying that's why I said it wasn't Hayley. She isn't a pop star. I have nothing against her for wearing this, nothing I said imlied this, so I don't know where you would've got this from. If you know I was referring to myself regarding "the ignorant American", than why are you making an issue about it? I definitely did not mean that Americans are ignorant. When Nicola called me ignorant in another thread, she said it isn't meant to be something offensive, and I do see her point (not that it made me feel any better). Being ignorant of something does not mean you're stupid, it just means you aren't knowledgeable in a certain area. I only meant that I'm unfamiliar with the way they do things in other countries. If they do have balls like this in the U.S., I've never heard of it. They do have fundraisers like this with famous people attending, but I'm just not aware of any balls. Maybe it's just that we don't call it a ball. That must be what it is. I did not mean to say Hayley should've worn a "Cinderella" dress, I was just trying to say that this didn't look like a ball gown to me, and not even girls at high school "proms" wear dresses quite like that. Of course I'm aware that women wear short dresses. It just has an odd effect on first glance. I am glad that she got a good reaction to it by theUK MSN's Celebrity Fashion Watch, as mentioned in the Fashion thread.
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Post by Libby on Nov 25, 2009 21:12:38 GMT
Wow! It took me more than a moment to get used to the dress. Still not my favourite dress of hers. I'm liking it more and more every minute. Very sci-fi. I think it will grow on me a lot. I agree with Libby though, I hope her Christmas dresses are a little more in her typical style. I rest my case.
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Post by martindn on Nov 25, 2009 23:20:22 GMT
Oh gosh, how can I reply to this?
One aspect of Hayley's character is that she loves to experiment, to do the unexpected. She does it with her music, why not with her attire too? And I think every time, her instinct is spot on. It is one of the things that makes her such a fascinating artist to follow. When Hayley started singing pop songs it wasn't her. The Japanese albums weren't her, if you judge her by Pure and Odyssey. .Winter Magic isn't her, the West has never heard stuff like that from her. The thing is it is all part of her art. She is wonderfully versatile, everything from rock chick to opera diva. She does it with her music, so why not with her clothes? Are we trying to put her in a straight jacket? Dave made the salient point, it made money for a good cause. And Hayley is Hayley. It is her choice. I really can't knock her for it. And I actually quite liked it. It is another aspect of our beautiful princess. And why not, she has youth and beauty, let her express t in her own way. And even if it isn't her own way, she might still do it if if makes money for a worthy cause. That is the person she is.
Martin
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Post by Libby on Nov 25, 2009 23:32:46 GMT
Goodness, if you think what I just wrote implies that I think she needs to be put in a straight jacket, I don't know what more I can say. I am very frustrated that my opinion about the dress is being made to seem so horrible. Like I said, what I said wasn't much different or any worse than what anyone else who didn't like it said.
I certainly never said any of those songs weren't Hayley.
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Post by Jillian on Nov 25, 2009 23:37:13 GMT
I mean, afterall, it's just a dress -- cloth and stiches on a coathanger. LOL Sort of reminds of the time I pulled a bit of a fashion about turn. I normally dress in darker colours but one day just for the heck of it I walked out of the house wearing a bright cyan coloured tshirt with a cartoon penguin screen printed on the front. My friend spent the day staring at it and giggling because it was so unlike me. But it was just a bit of fun and it didn't mean anything more than having a laugh and pulling something over my head before I left home. The only thing that this dress indicates is that Hayley is feeling confident in herself and is willing to do something bold -- I think that's an excellent frame of mind and I'm sure it will continue to manifest itself positively in Hayley's career. Recent experiments with Sleigh Bells and excellent piano playing show that Hayley is becoming more and more confident as she grows.
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Post by Richard on Nov 26, 2009 15:38:39 GMT
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Post by Libby on Nov 27, 2009 0:09:43 GMT
There are lots of good photos of Hayley on that site, without the watermarks across her face, just down on the bottom. There are some from the Harry Brown premiere, too.
I do think Hayley's hair and makeup were very pretty, as I said in my first reply to this thread. And I am liking the outfit better than I did at first, so you can all feel better now.
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Post by Dori on Nov 27, 2009 4:53:55 GMT
Hi everyone,
It would be great if we can talk about the charity that Hayley is involved in on this thread, and how this ball relates to that. I think we have said enough about the dress!
Thanks :wink: Dori
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Post by stevemacdonald on Nov 27, 2009 5:48:48 GMT
Hi everyone, It would be great if we can talk about the charity that Hayley is involved in on this thread, and how this ball relates to that. I think we have said enough about the dress! This ball was a star-studded event according to reports. That meant celebrities lent their support to the cause so it could rake in as much in the way of charitable donations as possible. Entertainment is a key thing at these galas, and Hayley must have enjoyed her role, both as a singer and as a fund-raiser for a cause she deeply feels connected to. She has obviously been to many charity balls by now and knew what the scene called for in terms of cutting-edge image. She aquitted herself admirably by rocking that amazing dress.
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Post by Dori on Nov 27, 2009 7:00:19 GMT
Hi Steve, I agree, but disagree. This is what we should be focusing on. Dori :wink: Hi Dori, I think that's a pretty good summary of the situation as I see it too and most members seem to agree with you about the dress, but I think we have to accept that one or two members simply don't like the style. If they don't, that's OK - as long as they remain respectful and polite in their comments. I'm with the majority, I think it's great! But we are in danger of forgetting the purpose of this event so I will reproduce the news report about it from Ronan Keating's website, which puts it all into perpective: And from the website of the Marie Keating Foundation: This was a charity event organised by Ronan Keating, other members of his family and the foundation and I have absolutely no doubt that what Hayley wore met with the complete approval of the organisers and was entirely appropriate for that charity event. The above quotes also place into perpective the previous debate about Hayley's dress. This was an important charity event for the Keatings and for Hayley - we should remember this and be supportive. It also confirms if a confirmation was needed that Hayley is now an established part of the London music scene. Most important of all: Hayley helped to raise over a million dollars in one evening for cancer research.Dave
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