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Post by martindn on Nov 10, 2010 16:59:37 GMT
Thanks Nicola,
That gives me hope. Do you think she will be flown over to appear as a guest on X Factor when the album comes out?
Martin D
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Post by nicola on Nov 10, 2010 21:37:14 GMT
No, there's no signs of her album being released over here. Yet.  When the time comes, perhaps she'll feature on BGT but I doubt the X-Factor - wrong audience. |
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Post by nicola on Nov 12, 2010 8:16:34 GMT
Thought you guys might appreciate this. I keep an eye on all the fanbases to see the effect my website has (it makes me happy, okay?!) and the most common pattern I am seeing in Jackie's fanbase is that they have been checking out the competition, and when they checked out Hayley, they have become fans of her and are voting for her as well! Also, the first albums Jackie fans seem to buy other than Jackie is Hayley's. And this is why my website was set up. |
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Post by Richard on Nov 12, 2010 8:25:20 GMT
You're doing a great job, Nicola!  I'll increase your karma again in a few minutes.  Richard  |
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Post by martindn on Nov 12, 2010 9:17:24 GMT
Well, this is getting exciting!! As of this morning Hayley has a lead of 323 votes over Rhydian and 489 over Jackie. Jackie is catching up fast, that's a gin of nealry 400 votes in a day. And remember, Hayley will need a lead of around 100 votes come Sunday if she is to be no 1. At the present rate of progress, No 1 next time will be Jackie. Time to mobilise the troops I think! Martin D |
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Post by Dennis S. on Nov 13, 2010 2:06:59 GMT
Thought you guys might appreciate this. I keep an eye on all the fanbases to see the effect my website has (it makes me happy, okay?!) and the most common pattern I am seeing in Jackie's fanbase is that they have been checking out the competition, and when they checked out Hayley, they have become fans of her and are voting for her as well! Also, the first albums Jackie fans seem to buy other than Jackie is Hayley's. And this is why my website was set up. That's pretty close to my story right there! Although in my case it's through Jackie's Wikipedia entry, not your voting website. In that entry, they compared Jackie to Sarah Brightman and Hayley. I wasn't too impressed with Sarah Brightman, but Hayley blew me away. |
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Post by nicola on Nov 13, 2010 7:05:46 GMT
That's fantastic, Dennis. I think Hayley would appeal to any Jackie fan.
My website is not a "voting" website, although sadly, many people think it is. It's just a fun feature.
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Post by nicola on Dec 12, 2010 13:59:43 GMT
Ratings have been reset. All votes now go towards the 2011 User Charts.
Hayley came second with a 10,000 trophy. Various things will go on to reward the top ten artists. Watch this space. xx
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Post by Tasslehoff on Dec 25, 2010 12:33:38 GMT
Hayley's going to be bumped down from number to 2 to at least number 7 tomorrow unless we improve the voting rate. I admit to failing to vote the past two months because of Hayley's comfortable lead but there appears to be some serious fan competition among a few of the other singers now since the reset.
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Post by martindn on Dec 25, 2010 18:25:01 GMT
Yes, no doubting who will be No. 1 though! But the reset seems to have energised the supporters and perhaps managements of a few fairly little know singers. That is a testament to how influential Nicola's site has become.
But some of these others will fade I'm sure. We just have to keep plugging aeway voting for Hayley and our other favourited.
BTW I have seen once again evidence that someone is trying to vote Hayley down. The one thing I hate about this setup is that voting down is allowed. It think it should just be a simple vote, with no star system. Otherwise it encourages vindictiveness.
Martin D
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Post by jimg on Dec 25, 2010 22:08:09 GMT
Yes, no doubting who will be No. 1 though! But the reset seems to have energised the supporters and perhaps managements of a few fairly little know singers. That is a testament to how influential Nicola's site has become. But some of these others will fade I'm sure. We just have to keep plugging aeway voting for Hayley and our other favourited. BTW I have seen once again evidence that someone is trying to vote Hayley down. The one thing I hate about this setup is that voting down is allowed. It think it should just be a simple vote, with no star system. Otherwise it encourages vindictiveness. Martin D Hi Martin, What they don't seem to realise is that every vote for Hayley, or any other artist, increases their total. If they only vote 1 star it affects the average but it is still a vote and when you multiply the average by the votes each 1 star vote counts as 0.2 of a vote, 2 star counts as 0.4 of a vote etc. So a one star vote is better than no vote at all as far as the chart is concerned. That is how I understand what Nicola said but I may be wrong. Keep voting Jim |
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Post by John H on Dec 26, 2010 9:31:18 GMT
That is the way I understand it too, Jim.
I think this quote from Nicola's website explains the reasoning behind the rating (rather than voting) system.
Sadly, many people don't seem to look on it that way.
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Post by martindn on Dec 26, 2010 23:59:37 GMT
Yes, that is exactly how it works. These people are really shooting themselves in the foot.
But that's not the point of what I am saying. The point is that they think they are doing something negative, to vote AGAINST someone. I just don't like that concept at all. I don't think such attitudes should be encouraged. Their attitude is nasty and vindictive, even though we know they don't achive what they intend. They think this is clever tactical voting, I know they are wrong about that but I don't like to think that they want to do that and that the system encourages them to think that they can do it.
Even in politics, we aren't allowed to cast negative votes for parties and candidates we don't like. Perhaps just as well, as if that were allowed, very few I suspect would ever get a total positive vote. We mostly vote for the least worst candidate I think with gritted teeth rather than any real enthusiasm. Tell me I am wrong! (OK, it's off topic I know, but I think you can see where this might lead with respect to Nicola's site).
Martin D
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Post by nicola on Dec 27, 2010 9:25:47 GMT
User ratings are there to give an alternative impression to the editorial ratings. I don't have a problem with them existing at all. Their PURPOSE is not vindictive. If you think someone is overrated, you have the right to express that sentiment.
It's ultimately there because I do not want MY ratings to be the only opinion on an artists' page.
I wouldn't dream of changing the system so that it was without the opportunity to give an opinion of an artist. Believe it or not, some people do not like Hayley's voice or music (I know plenty of them) and I don't see why that shouldn't be represented in her less than perfect rating score. My write up nor the ratings I give her reflect the portion of the audience that do not enjoy her. For the interest of balance, it should be reflected some way and somehow, and because it's there, it reflects better on Hayley.
And it's just nitpicking to complain about it. I mean, her average rating is 4.89-4.90? That means 98% of the people that have rated her as given her five out of five. Because the balance is there, doesn't that sound impressive? 98% of the ratings have been exceedingly positive when there's been an opportunity to rate negatively? That says more about Hayley than it would if the stars were not there and you just clicked on a button to "vote".
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Post by martindn on Dec 27, 2010 18:22:56 GMT
Hi Nicola,
Well, I suppose we will have to disagree about that. After all, it is your site, and the rules are yours to make, which is as it should be.
Each time we vote we have up to 5 votes we can bestow. If you like an artist, surely you will give them 5 as often as you can. If you don't like them, you don't bother voting for them at all.
If you vote regularly, you are clearly doing so to maximise your votes for the artist. So if I give someone 1 star every two hours, that is the same as giving them 5 stars every 10 hours.
Marin D
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