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Post by Libby on Nov 6, 2009 4:48:52 GMT
Oh no, I have to get all of them, now? Well, technically, I don't have to get the U.S. one, but as a loyal U.S. fan, I must. I have the Japanese version, and apparently now, I also need the Taiwan and UK version. This is getting annoying. Okay, I'm just going to wait and see if I can hear the songs before I decide to get the coinciding albums. NorthernLights, they also both have Little Drummer Boy on their albums, too.  Nicola, I listened to his songs on his site, and I thought he sounded okay, his voice is certainly not bad to listen to. I don't know where you're hearing out of tune notes. He's certainly easier on the ears than JA is! I do think you're a bit harsh sometimes. For example, I don't understand why you don't like Enya's lovely voice. True, many songs are repetitive, and I skip some of those, but there are plenty of ethereal songs which showcase her voice, like Fallen Embers. It's one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard! China Roses is wonderful, too. |
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Post by nicola on Nov 6, 2009 9:03:30 GMT
Harsh? My opinion is my opinion. And I have never said that I don't like Enya's or Ronan's voices - merely that they are not great singers. They belong to a different genre, thus their singing ability is not their most important aspect. I grew up with Ronan Keating - being a massive fan of Boyzone, so I know his voice very well. He has a pleasing tone to his voice, but he was a terrible singer. That didn't matter much - Stephen Gately performed the more demanding repertoire. I will probably be buying Ronan's album. For my mum. She loves him. He did a Mother's Day album earlier this year and it became one of her favourites. Even when I was little, mum used to take me to Boyzone concerts hoping to catch a glimpse of Ronan. XD Bless her. I had the excuse of youth! (I fancied Stephen) XD XD Perhaps the duet between Hayley and Ronan will make my mum listen to Hayley. Been trying for years, but she has always said 'she sings too high'.  |
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Post by comet on Nov 6, 2009 19:06:28 GMT
I'm just deliberately listening to Joni Mitchell singing River.. from the album Blue.
I have heard this album countless times in my life and never really noticed River, or thought of it as anything special.
Hayley has improved this song so much for us, The difference is amazing.
Joni's version is like a rundown and derelict house and Hayley has redecorated and improved it and now it is beautiful, warm and inviting.
Proof that the original version is not always the best
no doubt die hard Joni fans would disagree
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Post by Sing on Nov 6, 2009 19:57:12 GMT
I wish that there would just be one version in every country she releases an album in- not that I personally don't like the versions, but I can't keep explaining to my parents and begging them to get me- even though i've said I'll pay for them- versions of albums which only have 2 or 3 songs difference  ... I can't afford all of them...my parents have made it clear that I can only have the japanese version of this album which I love but Ronan Keating is one of my favourite singers, although I actually prefered Stephen Gately to him in Boyzone if this duet is on the UK album and I can't get it I think I will cry  btw, I think Hayley's mum will be quite jealous, well, perhaps not jealous but certainly very happy about this duet...didn't Hayley say in her book that her mum loved Boyzone  ...now she's recorded with one of them. best wishes Sing |
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Post by Libby on Nov 7, 2009 1:17:54 GMT
If a singer has a good voice, how are they not a good singer? I'm sorry, but what you said about Enya doesn't sound any better than saying she has a bad singing voice. She is a wonderful singer, and she sings beautiful songs. That's the truth.  |
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Post by spiderman on Nov 7, 2009 5:16:24 GMT
libby,
having a voice and knowing how to use it are too different things. hayley has a wonderful voice, it soothes me, relaxes me and during my recent emotional crisis held me together so i could repair myself [so to speak]. she can use her voice, and does it well; anyone can have one good song, but the proof that someone is a good singer, to me at least, is that they can do it reasonably often [not necessarily all the time].
in some cases its about emotions and feelings and being able to create a feeling in someone. bruce springsteen for example is, or was, good. its an entirely different genre but the principle is the same. its about what the singer brings to the song. hillary duffs [or for australians, nikki webster; americans, hoku, also] early work sounds pretty, but adds nothing to the listeners experience.
the reservation most people have about enya is that though her work is pretty to listen to its heavily layered whioh may mean that its machine assisted [in composition, not the singing, but it is the layering that produces the effect].
sing... i sympathise... ive paid 70$ for each of her japanese albums, about 3x more than the local ones. it saddens me a little cos it raisess the entry level [so to speak] cost of being a hayley fan. not that i want to get into a debate over the defintion of a fan, or what the most important hayley albums are, its just a thought.
the spiderman
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Post by nicola on Nov 7, 2009 8:09:25 GMT
Err... subjective truth perhaps, but nothing more.
Having a nice voice and being able to sing are too different things. You say you don't like Jonathan's voice because it doesn't sound good to you, but do you deny the fact that he can sing? Someone can have a extraordinary singing ability but the listener doesn't have to like the tone, interpretation, timbre of the voice, diction, vibrato, etc.
Enya's singing capability is nowhere near advanced, but I think it sounds pretty. Which is what I have always said - if you can't grasp this, fine, but please stop saying what I think of Enya's voice when you are ignorant of my stand point.
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Post by afaninchicago on Nov 8, 2009 2:42:03 GMT
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Post by Libby on Nov 8, 2009 5:31:04 GMT
Enya's singing capability is nowhere near advanced, but I think it sounds pretty. Which is what I have always said - if you can't grasp this, fine, but please stop saying what I think of Enya's voice when you are ignorant of my stand point. I don't need her voice to be advanced. It sounds beautiful to me in the songs she sings, and that's good enough for me. I never said you didn't like Enya's voice, I just remembered you saying you don't really like her music. I'm pretty sure I mentioned her repetitiveness at first, anyway. I just mentioned her voice because I like it. You don't have to be mean. |
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Post by Libby on Nov 8, 2009 5:36:23 GMT
This is a little upsetting to see, but if it's a UK import, why doesn't it list the duet on it? And if it's not a UK import, what kind of import is it? Barnes & Noble does not list it as an Import. I'm getting a little worried, but I'm hoping it's just a mistake. How could they not release one of her major albums here? I'll be so disgusted at them. They're not giving us a chance! |
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Post by Jono on Nov 8, 2009 5:47:50 GMT
You don't have to be mean. Hi Libby, I don't think Nicola was intending to be mean at all. She was just surprised that you called her opinion harsh, and that you considered your own opinion "the truth"....I'm sure that everyone's entitled to their own subjective opinions here at HWI, but we also have to respect others. I'm shocked that the US release on Amazon has been changed to [IMPORT] this late!? That must be disappointing...if it's true..but then why was WM listed on Universal USA? More confusion.. Jono |
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Post by Joe on Nov 8, 2009 6:01:21 GMT
I hope that this is an error on Amazon's part regarding no US version. And as Libby pointed out, if the import is the UK version, where is the duet w/ Ronan? The Amazon Canada site still has the WM release date of Nov. 23. How's this for you... could be a Canada import. And even if there IS a US version, how is it to be promoted ?? Magic indeed...now you see it, not you don't Joe |
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Post by milewalker on Nov 8, 2009 21:02:10 GMT
I hope that this is an error on Amazon's part regarding no US version. And as Libby pointed out, if the import is the UK version, where is the duet w/ Ronan? The Amazon Canada site still has the WM release date of Nov. 23. How's this for you... could be a Canada import. And even if there IS a US version, how is it to be promoted ?? Magic indeed...now you see it, not you don't Joe The promotion issue has been puzzling me since word came out about a US release. - it was in fact one of several reasons I have been keeping the news of this album at arms length so to speak. Jon |
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Post by Libby on Nov 9, 2009 1:01:13 GMT
Someone on Twitter alerted me to Decca US's website, showing Hayley's album: www.deccarecords-us.com/artist/releases/release.aspx?pid=61100&aid=42294I think Amazon must be mistaken. I'm hoping they just got confused with the release date change, but they'd better fix it immediately! Amazon has all Hayley's imports of Treasure, Odyssey, and Pure, so I think they'd probably show the UK version eventually, anyway. This is messing up my plans to contact radio stations to play her songs. They can't if it's not released here! It's going to be hard enough to get them to do it, without this problem! |
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Post by Libby on Nov 9, 2009 1:15:19 GMT
Regarding my response saying "that's the truth, ": it was only meant to tease, if any of you have ever heard of Lily Tomlin, it might make more sense. That used to be her saying. Sorry, I was just trying to emphasize my point that I think Enya has a good voice, and that she is a good singer. To me her vocal talent isn't just technical; it's the way she uses it to give her songs the emotional quality. You might find it difficult to believe, but some people prefer Enya's version of May it Be to Hayley's, but they do. I enjoy it as well, as her slow, graceful way of singing it is wonderful, but I don't like it better than Hayley's prettier version. My Lily Tomlin thing was dumb, but it doesn't mean I'm ignorant. I know I'm not, and I just thought it was kind of rude to say something like that. Okay, that's all I want to say about it, especially since it's off-topic. |
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... I can't afford all of them...my parents have made it clear that I can only have the japanese version of this album which I love but Ronan Keating is one of my favourite singers, although I actually prefered Stephen Gately to him in Boyzone 
...now she's recorded with one of them.
