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Post by stevemacdonald on Nov 6, 2010 15:49:34 GMT
I see this was never linked here, so I am going to temporarily break my sel-imposed rule ') It is a far better example of just what she is capable of as Jackie the professional singer outside of the AGT spotlight. Also David Foster gives her one heck of an introduction - be sure to watch his expression at the end of the performance as well, as he seems about to melt off of his seat. www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4E3O9iaeqMHeh, she's really dependent on that microphone to get her sound out. I wish it were possible for her to deliver a song without one. That will get her more respect in the long run. |
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Post by milewalker on Nov 6, 2010 17:25:49 GMT
I see this was never linked here, so I am going to temporarily break my sel-imposed rule ') It is a far better example of just what she is capable of as Jackie the professional singer outside of the AGT spotlight. Also David Foster gives her one heck of an introduction - be sure to watch his expression at the end of the performance as well, as he seems about to melt off of his seat. www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4E3O9iaeqMHeh, she's really dependent on that microphone to get her sound out. I wish it were possible for her to deliver a song without one. That will get her more respect in the long run. Her breathing isn't anywhere near as noticeable. I suspect the mic volume was fairly low. However, yes, she is 10 years old and has a number of physical limitations. I would respectfully submit that simply being able to perform at this level suggests that she has been able to work around them for the most part. |
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Post by martindn on Nov 6, 2010 23:26:23 GMT
Oh come on, at her age there is no way she could have the power to sing unmiked and be heard. She is 10 years old, not 30. This is the danger, that people will expect to much from her too soon.
She needs to be allowed to develop at her own pace, without pressure. Otherwise you risk her burning out. And she is too important a talent to allow that to happen.
Right now, I suspect coping with her sudden fame and staying grounded is enough of a problem.
Martin D
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Post by Libby on Nov 6, 2010 23:46:51 GMT
I was watching Hayley's Pie Jesu recently, and I noticed the more recent comments were comparing her to Jackie. Someone rudely said something like, "Too bad she couldn't do this at 10 years old." I don't know why, just because of Jackie, they have to suddenly hold such high expectations for every other singer in the world, and if they don't meet Jackie's standards (in their opinion), they're not as good, or something.  |
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Post by martindn on Nov 7, 2010 0:02:06 GMT
Hi Libby,
Yes, I agree, they are jumping the gun. Jackie is a remarkable child singer. Nobody knows how she will develop, and the thing now is to nurture her undoubted wonderful talent, not to expect her to sing like a 30 year old. There are so many things that could go wrong, so many pitfalls to be avoided defore she can achieve her full potenetial.
And as for Hayey, I don't think we know what she could or couldn't do at 10 years old, there are no recordings (although there is one of her at 9 years old). There is also one of Hayley at 7 years old. Was she better than Jackie at that age? Honestly, who cares.
You can only judge and compare on what they are now and what they are at their peak, something that neither Jackie of Hayley has reached. It takes a lot of discipline to achieve what Hayley has, and Jackie has yet to show that she has that in her. But I hpe that she has. Charlotte \church is one who clearly didn't have it.
Martin D
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Post by milewalker on Nov 7, 2010 1:45:27 GMT
Hi Martin
I dont think you are belng fair to Charlotte. She was imaged too heavily, and the image itself took its toll on her. She had a lot of money and she wasnt happy with what she was doing. Is it that shocking that she told the world to stop so she could get off? The only thing Charlotte did was rip her wings off in public.
Jackie still gets upset with every blown note - her age continues to be both a marvel and a problem. The only reason I posted this is because imho she is singing at a perfectly professional level - at age 10!
Libby - the YouTube comments comparing Hayley and Jackie are a good thing in my opinion. They reflect the fact that Jackie is right on the cusp of creating a classical crossover explosion in America. I have produced several times more sales of Hayley CD's in casual chats with Jackie fans in the past six weeks than I did in the previous six years. I know of one person who has bought her entire available catalog from Amazon minus the imports. Hayley has a functioning thread on Jackie;s forum which to be quite frank has worked better for Hayley than this one does for Jackie.
Jackie's "Pie Jesu" in my opinion stands up well with Charlotte's version done 2 and a half years later. At times in live performance I think she actually surpasses Charlotte. But I will leave the comparison there.
Later edit addendum - putting this here to avoid making another post on this thread....
Jackie is now up to 21 on Amazon bestsellers for the year[/i]
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Post by martindn on Nov 7, 2010 22:21:51 GMT
Hi Jon,
Yes, that is what Charlotte did, she made her pile and got out. She has done a lot of things since that she might regret. But she made her choices and has to live with it.
I am absolutely sure that Hayley won't do that. She talks about her career in terms of decades, not months or years, and says she can't imagine ever stopping making music. She loves what she is doing and is overjoyed that she is able to make a living at it. That's good, because I can't imagine ever wanting toi stop listening to her. It seems she was born to sing.
Now, which camp does Jackie fit into? It is too early to say. She is far too young to know what she wants to do with her life long term. We all see a great future for her as a singer, and hope that she will choose a career in music. The hope is that she will not rebel against it as Carlotte did. And that she will be able to cope with the fame her prodigous talent will bring. I wish her well.
Martin D
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Post by stevemacdonald on Nov 7, 2010 22:22:25 GMT
Oh come on, at her age there is no way she could have the power to sing unmiked and be heard. She is 10 years old, not 30. This is the danger, that people will expect to much from her too soon. She needs to be allowed to develop at her own pace, without pressure. Otherwise you risk her burning out. And she is too important a talent to allow that to happen. ... Hi Martin, There is another real problem with Jackie being dependent on using a mike: It distorts the voice and doesn't give a true sound. At her age she needs to hear what she really sounds like and not base her intonations on what the amplified version of her voice is. We can always tell the difference between a live voice and a miked voice that was converted to electronic signals and rendered back into sound waves. It gets transformed. Isn't it best to refine one's voice per its true sound, not its electronically rendered equivalent? |
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Post by martindn on Nov 7, 2010 22:38:57 GMT
Hi Steve, Yes, I agree that any amplification system distorts the voice. That's why I like to be near the front at Hayley's concerts, so that I can hear her directly rather than trhought he sound system. But that doesn't always work. I'm sure Jackie must practice without a mike. That will be most of the singing she does. It is very hard anyway to know what your own voice sounds like. I have no idea really what my own voice is like. Yes I can record it and play it back, but that will be, as you say, distorted. Only others, such as her voice coach, will be able to provide feedback that will be helpful. But then, you have to ask, how do most people listen to singers. Surely it is through some sort of electronic system, either a microphone and amplifier or a recording. Which is distorted. In Hayley's case I have always said that her records don't do her voice justice, she sounds so much better live, and many others have agreed with me. So sounding good through electronic systems and on record perhaps matters more for commercial success than sounding good live, since that is the way most people will hear her. Many many artists have been hugely successful in terms of record sales, yet sounded nothing like as good live. Where the opposite is true, as in Hayley's case, they tend to underachieve commercially. Martin D Edit by Dave: Any further discussion about the technical aspects of recorded music in general should be continued in the following thread: General discussions on music |
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Post by Libby on Nov 8, 2010 0:35:02 GMT
Every time Jackie finished performing on AGT, she always looked so happy to be there, happy with what she was doing. It's been a long time since I watched a performance by Charlotte, especially when in the earlier part of her career, but I don't remember seeing that much joy on her face as you do with Jackie. And I don't know much about how Charlotte got into singing, but I do know that Jackie started singing because she liked Phantom of the Opera. She started singing that style because she liked it, not because somebody told her to sing that style. She's been inspired by crossover greats like Sarah Brightman, Andrea Bocelli, and Hayley. It's good to hear about the Hayley thread on Jackie's forum. I started one on Josh Groban's forum, and although I've had responses from fans who already knew about her, I've had none from people who said they discovered her because of my thread. I think that's kind of good, because that seems to mean that a lot of people there are already aware of her. But it would be nice to say that someone discovered Hayley because of me! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif Although I don't get many responses, the thread does get lots of views every day, especially when I post something new. Plus I've added Hayley to my signature. That seemed to increase the views, too. |
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Post by rjstf on Nov 8, 2010 3:31:30 GMT
I discovered this forum recently by searching for discussions about Jackie. I didn't realize at first it was Hayley's forum, but did appreciate the frank discussions about Jackie's singing. After discovering this is Hayley's forum, I listened to some of her music, which I previously was not familiar with.
Although they are in the same genre, Hayley and Jackie are quite different. Hayley seems to sing effortlessly and in a higher range than Jackie. While Hayley is certainly a more polished singer, I like how Jackie expresses emotion and also how she sounds in her lower register.
Jackie will be fortunate if she grows up to be as physically beautiful as Hayley.
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Post by Dave on Nov 9, 2010 15:04:56 GMT
Hello Comet, Roger-G and Martin D! I've moved your four recent posts about technical aspects of recorded music into the following thread, where the discussion will I think fit better: General discussions on music Dave |
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Post by Dennis S. on Nov 20, 2010 19:32:05 GMT
Plus I've added Hayley to my signature. That seemed to increase the views, too. Considering how rare natural beauty is these days, that will always be a winning move. Hello Comet, Roger-G and Martin D! I've moved your four recent posts about technical aspects of recorded music into the following thread, where the discussion will I think fit better: General discussions on music Dave Dave, now that Jackie's first album is out, do you think we can get a Jackie sub-board? |
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Post by mihizawi on Nov 20, 2010 19:45:17 GMT
I am not sure, Dennis... I have the feeling that the subboards are for those artists that are very closely related to Hayley or that have a strong connection to the forum... But then again, I am surprised there are artists like Andrea Bocelli, Katherine Jenkins or Sissel, who, doubtlessly are some of the biggest names in the genre, but as far as I know don't meet the two criteria I mentioned, while there's no sub-thread for Jonathan Ansell, who have performed much more times with Hayley than Bocelli. Anyway, I guess there are historical reasons for that, I won't discuss it. But I think the moderators do have a criteria, cause then, if Jackie ges her sub-board, why not Faryl, Sarah Brightman or Josh Groban?
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Post by spiderman on Nov 20, 2010 21:14:09 GMT
I am not sure, Dennis... I have the feeling that the subboards are for those artists that are very closely related to Hayley or that have a strong connection to the forum... But then again, I am surprised there are artists like Andrea Bocelli, Katherine Jenkins or Sissel, who, doubtlessly are some of the biggest names in the genre, but as far as I know don't meet the two criteria I mentioned, while there's no sub-thread for Jonathan Ansell, who have performed much more times with Hayley than Bocelli. Anyway, I guess there are historical reasons for that, I won't discuss it. But I think the moderators do have a criteria, cause then, if Jackie ges her sub-board, why not Faryl, Sarah Brightman or Josh Groban? Michal michal-- the folk here are a bit more liberal, in relation to these matters, than on most boards. it makes it more community like and encourages conversation in quiet moments. personally, not my way; im more rule orientated. im not sure this is the place for discussing alot of things but i do understand why that discussion occurs hayley is/ was an andrea bocelli fan so the inclusion of a subboard for him is a natural choice. setting aside my feelings for jackie i can see why some folk might want to have a subboard for her though her current style of singing is more operatic than hayleys. they do sing the same material some of the time and jackie does have a support base here. that being said personally, i wouldnt advocate it. i dont think there is enough of a connection between jackie and hayley to justify having a subboard and as i said stylistically different. That being said since the mods have a liberal attitude to discussing other singers... why not have one?. this thread is long enough to be ungainly. obviously, she is allowed to be discussed so why not formalize it so you folks can be off-topic in a structured way. In alternative, perhaps remind people what the guidelines are and curtail the discussion a little bit. it may be a necessary evil. the spiderman |
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