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Post by grant on Jan 9, 2009 12:32:19 GMT
Hi Cherany I never listen to the radio, as I'm extremely particular about what I listen to & just can't deal with someone else being in charge of song selection Funny you should say that! Listening to the radio is the only way I get to listen to other music. Otherwise I just end up playing more Hayley! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifBest wishes Grant |
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Post by Cherany on Jan 9, 2009 12:45:49 GMT
 Well, I listen to more than just Hayley, but I admit, I tend to stick to just a few favorite artists. My iPod playlist has ten or twelve tracks by this artist & that, then a huge chunk of space is taken up by Hayley. Wouldn't have it any other way!
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Post by postscript on Jan 9, 2009 12:57:49 GMT
Hi Skypilot. Your reply 36 on this thread leads me to suggest, as you are comparatively new, you have mistaken my 'status' here for my username. Your quotation is from 'postscript' not 'maestro' which simply indicates how long I have been here. Well no, not exactly, just how verbolse i can be  . Peter S. |
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Post by Cherany on Jan 9, 2009 13:17:43 GMT
Hi Skypilot. Your reply 36 on this thread leads me to suggest, as you are comparatively new, you have mistaken my 'status' here for my username. Your quotation is from 'postscript' not 'maestro' which simply indicates how long I have been here. Well no, not exactly, just how verbolse i can be At first, I overlooked the, "Hi Skypilot" line in your post & thought, "I don't remember calling that guy a maestro..." |
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Post by ironman on Jan 9, 2009 18:03:07 GMT
Hi Ironman, I completely agree, I'm also 22 and I feel the same about the bad girl image that are dime a dozen these days. Whereas Hayley is nothing like that, which is why I think that she appeals to such a wide range of age groups Dean Thats why I joined this forum, Im a member of other forums like for farm equipment but I would never join a forum on any singer but Hayley is different from the others and isnt really well known here so I join to find out more about her music since I cant really find out anything anywhere else. Examples like Carrie Underwood may not be entirely fair. The ultimate issue is really name recognition and who has it - and it may be possible that Ms Underwood doesnt have to work as hard at getting noticed because winning American Idol took care of that for her - at least in the short term. Hmm, very true. Actually, one of Carrie's more recent songs is about "partying like a wild child", and her outift in the music video is a bit skimpy. I'm not exactly sure of the name, but it starts out saying something like "last night, I had a drink, blah, blah, and I got a little crazy".. The main line is "I don't even know his last name". I'm sorry, but I think this one is a very poor example to girls. It's trashy. Her voice doesn't even sound that good in it. My opinion of her has lowered since seeing this. The only reason I saw the video was because I went to the most recent American Idol concert, and they played videos like that during intermission. I wasn't aware, but I don't like the sound of that, either.  I hereby retract my original statement regarding Carrie Underwood as someone who has made it big without resorting to impure methods of attention-grabbing. Carrie Underwood seems to be a decent person but I think this song was just sell records. Maybe the nice girl thing wasnt working out so she made a naughty song. Ive heard that song a million times and never did like it. Its just a stupid song in my opinion. When Carrie Underwood first started out I liked her but now shes just blended in with all the rest of the celebrities. She could be worse though. |
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Post by skypilot on Jan 9, 2009 22:31:40 GMT
Hi Skypilot. Your reply 36 on this thread leads me to suggest, as you are comparatively new, you have mistaken my 'status' here for my username. Your quotation is from 'postscript' not 'maestro' which simply indicates how long I have been here. Well no, not exactly, just how verbolse i can be . Peter S. Sorry Pete..Im over fifty and my eyesight and mental functions need defragging  |
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Post by milewalker on Jan 10, 2009 2:17:30 GMT
If you can generate your own repertoire, you’re unstoppable. As I mentioned in that thread, this is why Taylor Swift, who at age 19 has already recorded two albums of her own compositions, was the best selling artist in the U.S. in any genre in 2008. Even with fairly pedestrian vocal abilities, her prolific song writing skills mean she’s not going away any time soon. If Hayley can find that inner muse – one she’s already developing – she may make threads like this one unnecessary. Hi Socalboy I think there is some merit to this.....however: To the extent of my limited knowledge of Taylor (I have seen a couple of videos) she seems to write catchy songs about teen romance. There is nothing wrong with this, but because of what Taylor writes about she is able to make a connection with her peers that Hayley will never make writing a song like Let Me Lie, or contributiing to Melancholy Interlude, regardless of how good she becomes at writing that type of music. It simply isnt personal enough to make that sort of connection. Jon |
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Post by martindn on Jan 10, 2009 2:24:15 GMT
Er. Jon,. I think you have heard HSJS. This is a much deeper and more powerful treatment of the whole subject of love. Perhaps it is too deep for teenagers. But I'm not convinced.
Martin
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Post by postscript on Jan 10, 2009 10:38:35 GMT
Hi Skypilot. Worry not I understand entirely! Far too well! Peter S. |
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Post by tammyhislop on Jan 10, 2009 14:01:22 GMT
Hi Dean, ...as a general rule we consider this a private matter of Hayley's (Well I do, but please correct me if I'm wrong) As far as specific fact and figures are concern about Hayley or any named artists, you are absolutely correct in saying it is private. Provided we discuss the issue in only very general terms (as I endeavoured to do in my previous post) then it is acceptable within reason. Roger A purely hypothetical example on the Internet illustrating this assumed a four-person band who sold 250,000 albums but who would then end up making about $4,000 dollars each, given "normal" costs of promotion, production, etc. It wouldn't be accurate to attempt to extrapolate from this to any other number of albums, but it gives an idea of how musicians are often not as well-off as one might expect. |
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Post by milewalker on Jan 10, 2009 21:58:06 GMT
Er. Jon,. I think you have heard HSJS. This is a much deeper and more powerful treatment of the whole subject of love. Perhaps it is too deep for teenagers. But I'm not convinced. Martin Martin, Taylor deals with much more earthy and pragmatic issues in her romantic songs - like how to keep dad from finding out....or the anger one feels at betrayal. In other words, Taylor specifically appeals to the love issues of an audience at a very basic level - and the very young age of that audience can directly relate the music to their own lives and experiences: You shouda said no you shouda gone home
you shouda thought twice before you let it all go
You shouda known that word
'bout what you did with her'd
get back to me
And I shouda been there in the back of your mind
I shouldnt be asking myself why
You shoudnt be begging for forgiveness at my feet
You shouda said no baby and you might still have meIt isn't exactly Shakespeare or Frost (but it does parse better when sung than this looks) - but the point is that it deals directly with the love issues faced by young women of Taylor's age. You can make a powerful argument that the music on HSJS is better - but a) Hayley didn't actually write the material herself - and b) it is too sophisticated for the age group which happens to buy the most records. Frankly, I have issues with the idea as well - I am keeping this at arms length simply because Hayley is already almost too old to make the same kind of appeal - the time for this was 2004. The irony and catch 22 is that Hayley might have 5 times the audience had she done this, but most of us might not be here to discuss it  I am therefore not suggesting that Hayley specifially try this. I do wonder if a compromise is possible involving music which might appeal to a slightly older female audience. I was intrigued by Summer Fly for this reason when she sung it. Even though she didnt write it, it did have the necessary earthiness - and apparantly didnt upset too many of her core fans. The problem is that popularity in any market relies on something we might call the least common denominator. In other words a very popular artist will probably fall short of everybody's ideal, but not so short that a whole lot of people who might buy their work become alienated. Placed in this light, Hayley's difficulties may be no more complex than her unwillingness to make the necessary compromises to achieve it. This may speak well of her as a person, and as an artist who strives for excellence - but probably does have some negative effect on her career as a whole. She is unlikely to ever reach "critical mass" as things stand now - and must work very hard to maintain a fanbase of viable size. Jon |
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Post by Dave on Jan 10, 2009 22:12:57 GMT
...She is unlikely to ever reach "critical mass" - and must work very hard to maintain a fanbase of viable size. Jon For myself, I am particularly intrigued with the Japan situation... I suspect that from a recording point of view, it is now Hayley's most profitable market and the only one in which she is selling more albums than, say, two years ago. Of course, Japan is not only about the raw record sales (and concert audiences) as I am pretty sure that her albums there are currently more profitable per unit sale than in the UK, US and probably NZ too. It will be very interesting indeed to see how well the next Japanese album and tour go... and if successful again, how much of that is brought into her next UK, NZ or International album. Dave |
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Post by ironman on Jan 10, 2009 22:38:03 GMT
...She is unlikely to ever reach "critical mass" - and must work very hard to maintain a fanbase of viable size. Jon For myself, I am particularly intrigued with the Japan situation... I suspect that from a recording point of view, it is now Hayley's most profitable market and the only one in which she is selling more albums than, say, two years ago. Of course, Japan is not only about the raw record sales (and concert audiences) as I am pretty sure that her albums there are currently more profitable per unit sale than in the UK, US and probably NZ too. It will be very interesting indeed to see how well the next Japanese album and tour go... and if successful again, how much of that is brought into her next UK, NZ or International album. Dave Does she sing songs in Japanese? I have relatives in germany and most of their music is in english. |
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Post by astrid on Jan 10, 2009 22:38:52 GMT
Er. Jon,. I think you have heard HSJS. This is a much deeper and more powerful treatment of the whole subject of love. Perhaps it is too deep for teenagers. But I'm not convinced. Martin Martin, Placed in this light, Hayley's difficulties may be no more complex than her unwillingness to make the necessary compromises to achieve it. This may speak well of her as a person - but probably does have some negative effect on her career as a whole. She is unlikely to ever reach "critical mass" - and must work very hard to maintain a fanbase of viable size. Jon Surely she can sing songs with a little bit of bite without "compromising" any beliefs? Leoard Cohen is a very religious person but has sung about love and sex. HSJS is a much deeper and more powerful treatment of the whole subject of love? Perhaps I have missed something, I thought it hardly scimed the surface. Hayley has sung "Nobody Does it Better", which is a rather flippant song about sex. If I am permitted and will be forgiven for using the word on this forum, does singing about premarital or extra-marital sex, really mean that one embraces or is promoting it. I believe there was an outcry when Faith Hill (or a woman singer) first sang "Help me make it through the Night". It was thought to be about a one-night stand (sorry, please delete if the term is too robust for the delicate souls here), but isn't it also about loneliness and desperation? Is the stuff of real-life taboo to a Christian? Should I let my daughter read Shakespeare, with his bawds, brutallity, adultery, murder, etc? I was acquainted with a young Chrisitan woman who was a virgin and an artist. But some of the things she painted shocked some - but isn't that what art is about: putting yourself in someone else's shoes and seeing life from their point of view? I admit I'm puzzled. I knew that New Zealand singer Brooke Fraser was a committed Christian, and that Dave Dobbyn had beome a born-again-Christian, but no one in New Zealand that I have spoken to knows that Hayley is. Yet according to this forum she is one of the most rigidly strict Christians in the history of the earth. I have just come from another forum where one of the characters is a devoutly Christian woman who was having an hilariously risque interchange with this character about wheteher size really did matter (she argued it did). If Hayley said anything of the sort the people here would all have heart attacks. |
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Post by martindn on Jan 10, 2009 23:05:49 GMT
Hi Astrid,
Welcome aboard.
Nobody here, to my knowledge is suggesting that Hayley is any of the things you suggest. I think you are reading too much into it. Sex is not taboo for Christians. It is a gift from God! He made us sexual people.
As to Hayley's personal faith, that is entirely up to her and none of our business. As is the way that she chooses to conduct her life. All that we know is that she has a faith, and has a very clean living kind of image. None of us I'm sure and I hope would wish to impose anything on her. It is between Hayley and God, it is none of my or your business, any more than my own faith is anybody else's business.
I admit I am uplifted and inspired by hearing Hayley sing Christian songs. But if she didn't do it, I would still love to hear her sing whatever else she chose.
Martin
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I never listen to the radio, as I'm extremely particular about what I listen to & just can't deal with someone else being in charge of song selection
I am therefore not suggesting that Hayley specifially try this. I do wonder if a compromise is possible involving music which might appeal to a slightly older female audience. I was intrigued by Summer Fly for this reason when she sung it. Even though she didnt write it, it did have the necessary earthiness - and apparantly didnt upset too many of her core fans.