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Post by Libby on Jun 11, 2008 4:35:59 GMT
Record companies permitting, it is also more of a practical possibility than some of the others. I think several singers like Josh Groban and Andrea Bocelli (maybe others) would be out for financial reasons - and I don't think the rewards would be sufficient to counter the costs, so I didn't vote for them. Aren't we voting for who we want to duet with Hayley, not who we think is most likely to for financial reasons?  Hayley has dueted with Andrea Bocelli! Apparently they didn't think that was too expensive to do! As for dueting with Josh Groban, I think the popularity she would gain from it would make the cost of collaborating with him worth it! I still would like to know why you Brits don't like Josh as much? |
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Post by roger on Jun 11, 2008 9:09:02 GMT
Aren't we voting for who we want to duet with Hayley, not who we think is most likely to for financial reasons? Hi Libby, Yes, we are but at the same time, the thread is an invitation for comments and observations which members may find interesting. I still would like to know why you Brits don't like Josh as much? I'm sure many do. Personally, I like his voice but I don't much care for most of his material. That which I have heard so far doesn't inspire me to listen to any more.  Roger |
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Post by Dave on Jun 11, 2008 13:32:56 GMT
Record companies permitting, it is also more of a practical possibility than some of the others. I think several singers like Josh Groban and Andrea Bocelli (maybe others) would be out for financial reasons - and I don't think the rewards would be sufficient to counter the costs, so I didn't vote for them. Aren't we voting for who we want to duet with Hayley, not who we think is most likely to for financial reasons? Hayley has dueted with Andrea Bocelli! Apparently they didn't think that was too expensive to do! Hi Libby, I have said exactly what I want and don't want. The reason I don't want any more duets with "expensive" singers like Bocelli or Groban is because I want Hayley to be as successful as possible and that includes financial success, too and not yet another addition onto her fianancial liability to the record company which (I am guessing but we've had discussions about this before) still has a long way to go before it's repaid. I want Hayley to be free of all this record company 'baggage' and the big name duet (Bocelli) you mentioned did not, I think, pay off - because in the US, where Bocelli is a massive album seller, Odyssey (on which it appears) didn't even enter the Billboard 200. I hope the days of Hayley racking up more debt to the record company in the hope (their hope!) of "breaking through" into the US market or anywhere else are over because it's already been tried and it didn't work. So I don't want to see any more big name duets except, of course, at any "special" concerts or TV events where they might be of mutual benefit and the costs are shared between them. There are many other ways for Hayley to consolidate and hopefully increase her popularity than doing album duets with big expensive stars and she's trying them: Il Divo tour, Celtic Woman tour, the Classical Brits (with Jonathan Ansell and of mutual benefit), what's happening in Japan right now... and what's more, some of them are working - Japan for example. Of course, If Josh or Andrea liked Hayley so much that they (well their record company!) would offer the partnership for an album track free of charge, well I'd certainly like that (Vivo Per Lei!) but I don't think the music industry works like that, not where big stars are concerned (Jon?). So I stand by what I said and I don't want any more "superstar" album duets at the moment. As for dueting with Josh Groban, I think the popularity she would gain from it would make the cost of collaborating with him worth it! I still would like to know why you Brits don't like Josh as much? A duet with Josh may help in the US more than the duet with Andrea did but as he is currently even more popular than Andrea, the costs (and risks) would be that much greater so for the same reasons, and because Andrea didn't seem to work, I don't want that either. I don't know why Josh hasn't become a big album seller in the UK, his name is certainly well known over here and he has a great voice. Perhaps like Roger and like me, Brits aren't keen on his choice of repertoire? Or perhaps Josh doesn't spend enough time in the UK because he doesn't really need to; anyone making it big in the US doesn't need success anywhere else. Also, his type of music doesn't get airplay in the UK so that route's not open to him (as with all crossover artists). But no, I don't really know why he's not (so far) made it "big" in the UK. Cheers, Dave |
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Post by Richard on Jun 11, 2008 13:42:21 GMT
Hello everybody!  I would really like to hear Hayley sing a duet with Connie Talbot. 'Over the Rainbow' would be an ideal song, and it's already in both their repertoires. They could perform it on this year's Children in Need.  Richard  |
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Post by grant on Jun 11, 2008 13:57:44 GMT
Hello everybody! I would really like to hear Hayley sing a duet with Connie Talbot. 'Over the Rainbow' would be an ideal song, and it's already in both their repertoires. They could perform it on this year's Children in Need. Richard An excellent suggestion Richard!! Best wishes Grant |
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Post by grant on Jun 11, 2008 14:03:27 GMT
not yet another addition onto her fianancial liability to the record company which (I am guessing but we've had discussions about this before) still has a long way to go before it's repaid. At the risk of going off topic (well I don't do it very often do I? :  Just when will Hayley's liability to Decca end? Does she have to cover every penny they spend on her behalf? and what if she wants to move to another label after her current contract expires? Or will she be tied to Decca until the debt is paid off? Just curious. Best wishes Grant |
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Post by Dave on Jun 11, 2008 14:54:19 GMT
not yet another addition onto her fianancial liability to the record company which (I am guessing but we've had discussions about this before) still has a long way to go before it's repaid. At the risk of going off topic (well I don't do it very often do I? : Just when will Hayley's liability to Decca end? Does she have to cover every penny they spend on her behalf? and what if she wants to move to another label after her current contract expires? Or will she be tied to Decca until the debt is paid off? Just curious. Best wishes Grant Hi Grant, The short answer is that I don't know as it depends on the original contract and what was agreed when it was renegotiated a few years ago (after the first version of Odyssey I think). But I suspect (well hope) that she will be in a strong position when it comes to contract negotiation after the 5 albums are done. If we wish to continue this discussion, we should ideally do it in another suitable thread or if there isn't one, start a new one (probably in the Miscellaneous board) but frankly, we just don't know the answer (even though Hayley has commented on her "debt" a couple of times in the past). Perhaps Roger knows more?  Cheers, Dave |
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Post by roger on Jun 11, 2008 15:14:23 GMT
Hi Grant, Just when will Hayley's liability to Decca end? There is no time limit as such, Basically, it will be when the debt has been repaid in full or when Decca agree to write of the remainder both of which would be in accordance with the terms of the contract. Does she have to cover every penny they spend on her behalf? Ideally yes; just as you have to repay your mortgage in full or your property will be repossessed. The alternative of Decca writing off the debt would probably mean the artist's career is at an end because it is doubtful that another record company would take them on. ...and what if she wants to move to another label after her current contract expires? Or will she be tied to Decca until the debt is paid off? If an artist (I am speaking generally and not specifically about Hayley) wishes to move to another company before the debt is fully repaid, the record company would be within their rights to demand that it be repaid in full (depending on the terms of the contract). Provided the debt has been repaid, neither the artists nor the company are obliged to renew the contract but, in Hayley's case, I see no reason why she would wish to look elsewhere. Roger |
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Post by postscript on Jun 11, 2008 17:01:22 GMT
Your 12 a very interesting thought, Richard.
I had wondered if Hayley might have thought of inviting Connie on stage at Buxton but I don't think she would be quite ready for that yet. I wondered at Connie' s presence (I know Hayley invited her) and wondered if it was to give her some understanding of what such a venue was like. I think Connie is more used to TV than 'normal' concerts, let alone holding an entire evening on her own. Doing an act is one thing. Holding a theatre for a whole evening is in a different orbit.
Now, a glance into the wings as I'm sliding sideways, I must check out the posts on Faryl Smith.
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Post by grant on Jun 11, 2008 17:43:13 GMT
I I wondered at Connie' s presence (I know Hayley invited her) and wondered if it was to give her some understanding of what such a venue was like. Hello Peter Nice to see you back, albeit briefly! Regarding Buxton. Our people over at Connie's forum knew that Connie wanted to meet/see Hayley perform, hence the invitation. I'm not aware of any other reason, but maybe Mark could add some more details. Best wishes Grant |
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Post by milewalker on Jun 11, 2008 20:32:18 GMT
Hi Dave,
I would venture a guess that you are right about the monetary aspects of duets - at least insofar as an artist in Hayley's position is concerned.
On occasion there may be some kind of consideration involved where the monetary exchange isnt direct. For example, a couple of years ago, Bon Jovi and the country group Sugarland exchanged duets He was the bigger name at the time, but there may not have been much money involved because the duet was in the interests of both parties. As he aged, he mellowed a bit, and was therefore more interested in the c&w demographic - and Sugarland has a bit more of a rock edge to some of their material than is normal in c&w, so the duet helped them as well.
In Hayley's case, any duet with a bigger name would serve to benefit her much more than it would the other party - which puts her in a much weaker bargaining position
Jon
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Post by Richard on Jun 22, 2008 14:13:50 GMT
Hello everybody! I was about to post a video clip in the 'Hayley on YouTube' thread when I realised this might be a more appropriate place. Here is Hayley singing Caccini's 'Ave Maria' as you've never heard it before - in duet with Tomotaka Okamoto. youtube.com/watch?v=_AKuL4OkvuQEnjoy! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifEdit: I believe some of you may have seen it before HERE, but I couldn't get that video to work. Richard |
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Post by Stuart H on Jun 22, 2008 15:19:48 GMT
Hi Richard Thanks for the video link. I too couldn't get the other one to work for some reason. I've just got back from Thailand - my 4th visit in five months so havn't been able to contribute much. I'm back now until Aug/Sept and November trips back to S.E. Asia. I'm really looking forward to seeing everyone again at Nacton in three weeks time.  Stuart |
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Post by Libby on Jun 30, 2008 0:13:52 GMT
Personally, I like his voice but I don't much care for most of his material. That which I have heard so far doesn't inspire me to listen to any more. What songs, may I ask, are you referring to? I think most of his songs are wonderful, and his voice is amazing. If you're only going by You Raise Me Up (in which he sounds incredible), you're depriving yourself for nothing. Okay, February Song might not seem very exciting to a first-time listener, but he sings plenty of other more impressive songs. Give him a chance, for pete's sake! Have you ever heard "Remember when it Rained"? Or "Un Giorno Per Noi"? (After hearing Josh sing it, I'm sorry, but Jonathan Ansell does not do it justice; and his voice is very irritating). Some other of his best songs include: "In Her Eyes" "Solo Por Ti" "Si Volvieras a Mi" "Now or Never" Can you at least endure his Christmas songs? I don't quite understand. Josh's songs are a similar style to Hayley's, without the Celtic/Irish songs, and not as many "classical" songs. He does sing plenty of Italian, though, but they are much more dramatic and exciting than many classical songs. I have to admit I don't like his "Caruso", though. |
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Post by roger on Jun 30, 2008 4:12:34 GMT
Hi Libby, I based my comment on the 'Awake' album together whith the two songs he sang at the Classical Brits last month (one of which was 'February Song'. Perhaps his other material would be more pleasing but, as I have hundreds of CDs which I know I love but never have time to play them, I am not likely to experiment further with an artist who has, thus far, failed to impress me. Roger |
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Just when will Hayley's liability to Decca end? Does she have to cover every penny they spend on her behalf? and what if she wants to move to another label after her current contract expires? Or will she be tied to Decca until the debt is paid off?
