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Post by Nordly on Jul 9, 2008 23:10:52 GMT
[/size] [/quote][/quote] Down Under? Isn't that Austalia, not both Aus. and NZ? At least the performance got Hayley a new fan! Thank you for posting that Paddy! ~NL |
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Post by graemek on Jul 10, 2008 0:53:23 GMT
Hi Northern L & everybody, That is certainly a lovely quote. Having read all the posts on this thread do I see a truth appearing? That........even given audio equipment & other difficulties & relatively short performance time...........Hayley gleamed once more with her own special aura?? Graeme  |
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Post by graemek on Jul 10, 2008 1:05:24 GMT
Just for you Northern L,
From Yahoo Answers:
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When you look at a globe of the world, Australia looks like it is down under the bottom of the globe, hence the term downunder. When people ask how it is going downunder they are asking how things are in Australia (or New Zealand). Oddly, people never seem to ask how things are downunder to South Americans or South Africans.
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PS. I live in Aus. & am used to thinking down under means us but obviously a lot of people lump the 2 countries together.
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Post by Libby on Jul 11, 2008 3:35:05 GMT
Hayley is just beautiful in her red dress. She did one song 'Shenandoah', beautifully done and when she finished she wished America a Happy Birthday. And yes Joe I saw the sign also, how cool is that! And so before I came on line here, I sent an email to my local PBS station to let them know how much I enjoyed their broadcast and thanked them for it. I also asked them that I would like to see more of Hayley Westenra on PBS. I encourage all American members to write their local PBS station and do the same. I'd been wondering what she'd wear, and I'm glad she chose that one. It was nice of her to wear one of America's colors! Hayley actually said "Thank you, have a happy 4th of July, everybody. Thank you", and waved. I saw Joe's sign, too, but I admit I had no idea who it was, although I looked close, both times I watched it. I wrote to PBS, too, because Bob C on the official forum suggested it, and he wrote to them, too! We should all do it! Hayley did a wonderful job! I'm so happy she sang "Shenandoah", like many of us hoped she would! |
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Post by Libby on Jul 11, 2008 3:58:20 GMT
Objectively it was not one of the best performances I have heard from her. She sang fairly well - and as one song in a concert it would have been fine. Unfortunately, there was nothing to that offering that would grab a non-fan insofar as I could hear. As one example, for whatever reason, she didnt do that high vocalise in the middle of the piece - and she could have really used it.... I think you're far too negative. True, it may not be the best we've ever heard her sing, but the "non-fans" had nothing to compare it to. Just because she doesn't sound her absolute best does not mean she doesn't sound good enough to attract any new fans. I'm wondering, has Hayley ever sang that "high vocalise" when she's sang Shenandoah in concert? |
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Post by Joe on Jul 11, 2008 4:31:14 GMT
Hi Libby! I'm so glad you enjoyed Hayley's performance. What a thrill for all of us! I'd been wondering what she'd wear, and I'm glad she chose that one. It was nice of her to wear one of America's colors! Hayley actually said "Thank you, have a happy 4th of July, everybody. Thank you", and waved. I saw Joe's sign, too, but I admit I had no idea who it was, although I looked close, both times I watched it. I can't take any credit for the sign (this time)  Well done, Libby, for letting PBS know that America needs Hayley. I was touched by Hayley's thoughtfulness by wishing us a happy 4th. Thanks again, Joe |
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Post by Nordly on Jul 11, 2008 13:00:30 GMT
Just for you Northern L, From Yahoo Answers: Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
When you look at a globe of the world, Australia looks like it is down under the bottom of the globe, hence the term downunder. When people ask how it is going downunder they are asking how things are in Australia (or New Zealand). Oddly, people never seem to ask how things are downunder to South Americans or South Africans.
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AustralianGraeme PS. I live in Aus. & am used to thinking down under means us but obviously a lot of people lump the 2 countries together. Thanks! My dad's Austalian too, and we always have done the same. I wonder what my aunts there say about it? I'll ask them next time I speak to one of them. ~NL |
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Post by milewalker on Jul 12, 2008 1:55:17 GMT
[I think you're far too negative. True, it may not be the best we've ever heard her sing, but the "non-fans" had nothing to compare it to. Just because she doesn't sound her absolute best does not mean she doesn't sound good enough to attract any new fans. I'm wondering, has Hayley ever sang that "high vocalise" when she's sang Shenandoah in concert? Hi Libby (and Dave ), For what its worth, in the couple of performances I have heard, she did not perform it. I dont know if I was entirely clear however. The point I was trying to make was that the song itself is an old war horse - and anything she could do to make it stand out would have made the performance more effective. If I may, Dave, I will quote you from the "official charts" thread regarding Hayley's subsequent ranking on the Billboard Classical Crossver chart. Obviously you are right Libby - the performance did have a little effect... any extra sales are a good thing - and so is the general exposure - but I dont know that 100 extra sales or so are anything to crow about. ----- I wasnt going to mention this directly Libby, but since you brought it up  .... I dont know if Hayley has ever done this "vocalise" specifically. In general I would say that it is not a good idea to record differently than you perform - but maybe thats just me. What I do know that there was a time when she used to do them at least occasionally. For example, she performed "Benedictus" live on her New Zealand concert - and while I cant trust my memory 100% I think she also performed one on Quanta Qualia at least once. Jon |
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Post by Nordly on Jul 12, 2008 19:09:31 GMT
I dont know that 100 extra sales or so are anything to crow about. While 100 more sales in itself is not a big achievement, the new listeners will likely play Celtic Treasure for un-fans, and these people will likely become fans of Hayley. They will do the same, and that will eventually gain Hayley popularity. And anyway, 100 more sales is better than 0 more. Every bit will make Hayley's sucsess come sooner! ~NL |
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Post by Libby on Jul 14, 2008 4:54:37 GMT
True, 100 sales isn't that huge, but you must realize, that if it has anything to do with the PBS performance, many of these sales are likely from Americans. Celtic Treasure, of course, would have the bigger sales, because they all would have looked up "Hayley Westenra Shenandoah" and found the album, and bought it. Many of them probably bought Odyssey, too, since it's reported that its sales on Amazon went up, too.
These both have Irish/Celtic songs, so, so much for the idea that this music isn't popular in America.
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Post by stuartj on Jul 14, 2008 13:21:35 GMT
True, 100 sales isn't that huge, but you must realize, that if it has anything to do with the PBS performance, many of these sales are likely from Americans. Celtic Treasure, of course, would have the bigger sales, because they all would have looked up "Hayley Westenra Shenandoah" and found the album, and bought it. Many of them probably bought Odyssey, too, since it's reported that its sales on Amazon went up, too. These both have Irish/Celtic songs, so, so much for the idea that this music isn't popular in America. But, remember that Celtic Treasure jumped from 3900 odd on the Amazon "Sales Rank" to 95. I have no idea what this means in terms of actual sales, but Kathy Jenkin's highest ranking album is at about 10,000 odd and Russell Watson's even lower (from memory). At 95 it was up there with all the big names in pop. I believe that only Paul Potts, and maybe Josh Groban, of crossover artists have ever gone that high. |
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Post by milewalker on Jul 14, 2008 14:41:08 GMT
True, 100 sales isn't that huge, but you must realize, that if it has anything to do with the PBS performance, many of these sales are likely from Americans. Celtic Treasure, of course, would have the bigger sales, because they all would have looked up "Hayley Westenra Shenandoah" and found the album, and bought it. Many of them probably bought Odyssey, too, since it's reported that its sales on Amazon went up, too. These both have Irish/Celtic songs, so, so much for the idea that this music isn't popular in America. But, remember that Celtic Treasure jumped from 3900 odd on the Amazon "Sales Rank" to 95. I have no idea what this means in terms of actual sales, but Kathy Jenkin's highest ranking album is at about 10,000 odd and Russell Watson's even lower (from memory). At 95 it was up there with all the big names in pop. I believe that only Paul Potts, and maybe Josh Groban, of crossover artists have ever gone that high. Hi Stuart The 100 sales mention by Dave include Amazon, the sales of whom count towards the charts. The only reason that number jumped like it did is that Amazon is one of the only places in the states where the albums are easy to find - so nearly everyone who bought the album immediately as a result of this appearance, used Amazon. Except for Amazon and a couple of lesser on line vendors, Hayley's albums are in dedicated record shops only - you cant find them at Target or Walmart. It is not unusual at all for a classical crossover album to be ranked quite high on Amazon. Even when an album by say Sarah Brightmen is available everywhere, the classic numbers there would be overstated and pop numbers understated because of the age of the people likely to use Amazon. Just to give some numbers, at one time Charlotte Church was between number 1 and 2 for two weeks with Enchantment - which hit Billboard at number 15. She was as high as number 2 with Voice of an Angel, which peaked on Billboard at I think number 28. She was as high as number 4 with Charlotte Church - which peaked at 40 on Billboard. Josh Groban has been number 1 repeatedly Sarah Brightman has been number 1 repeatedly Betty Buckley - a broadway singer with almost no chart presence at all - has been as high as number 10. For that matter, I think Hayley broke the Amazon top 10 very briefly with Pure if memory serves me correctly. The only use a chart like Amazon has is because it is a small sample - and as such is very reactive to small changes in the sales environment. But it is only meaningful to the big picture if the album goes up and stays there. A brief bump on Amazon like that enjoyed by Hayley means about 100 overal sales - exactly what Dave said. As far as the idea that this somehow means that Celtic music and the like are popular in the US - I would personally contrue it to mean the exact opposite. The numbers for all kinds of niche markets like this are subject to the same sort of brief jump - which attests more to the general unavailability of the music in department stores than the overall popularity of the music itself. Jon |
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Post by Andrew on Jul 14, 2008 23:19:16 GMT
Hi Tim, I'm so sorry that I haven't thanked you for your superb Concert coverage from 4th July in Washington DC...  Your photographs are brilliant and your support for Hayley was tremendous! You really "went to town" with that banner of yours!!! :je Fantastic work Tim... I'm sure your support must have given Hayley a real boost! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifAll of us here at 'HWI' are really proud of you... Andrew |
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Post by timj on Jul 15, 2008 1:22:31 GMT
Thanks Andrew, Hayley shares a wonderful gift with us. I think she deserves and appreciates all the support and encouragement we offer.Personally, Hayley is a real sweetheart, I love to share a few thoughts with her whenever I can, and I'm sure I share these feelings with everyone at HWI......TimJ
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Post by Stephany on Jul 15, 2008 3:57:34 GMT
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