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Post by Dave on Apr 20, 2007 21:39:11 GMT
Hi Jon,
That's a very interesting article which I read carefully, together with the accompanying test article and results. Thanks for posting it.
It makes it look like it's hard to tell the difference between iTunes downloads and a CD version of the same song. Well it isn't if your audio equipment is of high quality, if you actually care about the differences (many people don't) and if the songs are of a type that you want to sit down and actually listen to it uninterrupted (a lot of music isn't).
The problem with this test is that it doesn't actually compare iTunes tracks with the equivalent CD version! It muddies the waters by introducing two intermediate bitrates/encoding types starting at 160 kbps and I can't help feeling that the testers set out to demonstrate that compressed music is basically as good as a CD. Scores of 3 to 6 out of 12 certainly make it look that way!
The only satisfactory way to make such a comparison is to have A/B comparisons between iTunes downloads at 128 kbps AAC and the equivalent CD track - with both played on the same domestic standalone CD player not on a PC (whatever sound card is used). By throwing extra bitrates and comparisons into the pot they were asking for trouble!
If that was done, 128kbps AAC versus a CD, I guarantee that the results would be unequivocal - with a much higher success rate and getting pretty close to 100%.
I accept that if the comparison was between 320 kbps and CD quality, it really would be hard for many people to tell the difference. The answer though is simple; iTunes and the others can offer us a choice of 128, 320 or uncompressed so we can all make our own choice.
Cheers, Dave
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Post by jons on May 2, 2007 15:22:17 GMT
Hi Dave,
I think the purpose was just to compare compression bit-rate's and not to an uncompressed CD bit rate.
CD's are not going anywhere though! In fact I predict an end to lossy compression one day. I think it quite complicated and having all these different codecs is confusing. Another way of compressing data is bound to be found, maybe using random number compression or something else ingenious.
As Tornado said Harddrives are getting bigger too. And Samsung have just announced mass production of 16GB NAND flash memory. Thats means thinner mp3 players with greater capacity (You've seen how thin the Ipod Nano is!)
I know that as you increase the information on things like DVD-audio and SACD you can't hear the extra frequencies but they do effect what the ones you can hear and improve the sound, so I expect higher quality audio in the future.
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Post by jons on May 12, 2007 16:43:29 GMT
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Post by jons on May 13, 2007 16:42:45 GMT
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Post by comet on May 16, 2007 16:56:25 GMT
would they lie to us ? The BBC Focus Magazine #177 June 2007 THE SPEED OF LIGHT What are the chances of it being an even number with three zeros at the end Even better four zeros, or better still five zeros. The final line in the world's best science and technology monthly. " WE NOW KNOW THAT LIGHT RAYS TRAVEL THROUGH THE VACUUM OF SPACE AT 300,000 km per second. " How convenient ! I wonder what the current "speed of light" will be in five years time
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Post by jons on May 17, 2007 13:29:54 GMT
Hi Comet, Yip, the speed of light did travel at about 299,338 km, but it has recently been on a diet, dropping that odd burger here and there for a McDonald's salad meal. Seriously though, something is limiting it to that speed.
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Post by jons on Jun 7, 2007 15:23:20 GMT
[/color] Amnesty International has warned that the internet "could change beyond all recognition" unless action is taken against the erosion of online freedoms.
The warning comes ahead of a conference organised by Amnesty, where victims of repression will outline their plights.
The "virus of internet repression" has spread from a handful of countries to dozens of governments, said the group.
Amnesty accused companies such as Google, Microsoft and Yahoo of being complicit in the problem.
Website closures
When challenged on their presence in countries such as China in the past, the companies accused have always maintained that they were simply abiding by local laws.
Amnesty is concerned that censorship is on the increase.
"The Chinese model of an internet that allows economic growth but not free speech or privacy is growing in popularity, from a handful of countries five years ago to dozens of governments today who block sites and arrest bloggers," said Tim Hancock, Amnesty's campaign director.
"Unless we act on this issue, the internet could change beyond all recognition in the years to come.
More and more governments are realising the utility of controlling what people see online and major internet companies, in an attempt to expand their markets, are colluding in these attempts," he said.
Google's Chinese homepage Amnesty has criticised Google's presence in China
According to the latest Open Net Initiative report on internet filtering, at least 25 countries now apply state-mandated net filtering including Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Burma, Ethiopia, India, Iran, Morocco and Saudi Arabia.
Egyptian blogger
Filtering was only one aspect of internet repression, the group said. It added that increasingly it was seeing "politically motivated" closures of websites and net cafes, as well as threats and imprisonments.
Twenty-two-year-old Egyptian blogger Abdul Kareem Nabeel Suleiman was imprisoned for four years in February for insulting Islam and defaming the President of Egypt.
Fellow Egyptian blogger Amr Gharbeia told the BBC that the internet was allowing people to express themselves: "The web is creating a more open society, it is allowing more people to speak out. It's only natural that upsets some people."
The Amnesty conference - Some People Think the Internet is a Bad Thing: The Struggle for Freedom of Expression in Cyberspace - will have some well-known speakers including Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales.
It marks the first anniversary of Amnesty's website irrepressible.info, which is being relaunched to become an information hub for anyone interested in the future of internet freedom.[/quote] news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6724531.stm
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Post by jons on Jun 10, 2007 16:29:08 GMT
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Post by toronado on Oct 1, 2007 1:56:10 GMT
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Post by Joe on Oct 1, 2007 5:00:05 GMT
Hi Toronado! Thanks for sharing this with us. How democratic! New Zealanders can effectively rewrite their laws. Hmm, I'd add a few more bank holidays for a start. I saw a story on CNN about a dangerous road intersection in China. Motorists found the traffic lights, signs and crosswalks, confusing. Fed up with all of the complaints, local government officials removed them! Drivers and pedestrians must fend for themselves now. Joe
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