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Post by graemek on Oct 21, 2007 7:03:51 GMT
What can I say that hasn't been said??
Hayley, you're uniquely unique..........Graeme
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Post by Richard on Oct 21, 2007 7:28:51 GMT
Congratulations Hayley! A wonderful and very well deserved achievement! Lots of Love, Richard xxx
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Post by Raymond on Oct 21, 2007 17:00:33 GMT
Congratulations!!! This shows that our Hayley is the best. Raymond
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Post by Dave on Jun 14, 2008 18:27:53 GMT
Hi Dave, One thing which surprises me here is that given the population of Japan I would have guessed that more sales would be involved - not that this really mitigates the fact that all of this is good news indeed! Jon Hi Jon, that's a good point you made over in the official Charts thread and yes, it is surprising - if you compare it with the UK. But the UK has the highest ratio of album sales to population of all major Countries so Japan works out generally at only around 10% more album sales for any given chart position than the UK. So UK + Japan sales are still less than the US (but see below!). We can guesstimate an extra 5% or so though for Japan, as I don't think downloads are yet included there. But this week, the no. 12 album in Japan (Hayley) sold 15,890 and in the UK the no. 12 (Rihanna) sold 15,042 so the % diifference is even smaller! In the US, the no. 12 (Duffy) scanned 30,947 and I am shocked because the (Japan no. 12 + UK no. 12) probably exceeded the US no. 12 this week (15 less but add any Japan downloads). However, I think where Japan does win over the UK and even more over the US is on likely profit margin per CD sale. I think CD Japan's price before postal costs worked out at about £13 or US$25 for the basic album and even more for the more popular Deluxe version. Whereas Treasure/Celtic Treasure when first released were generally being sold in the UK for £9 to £10 (US$18) and in the US for around US$15 (£8). Add to this the ongoing individually small (but cumulatively moderate) high priced sales of all the extra Japanese Hayley albums that were released, the Wii game too (admittedly Worldwide but Japan originated), the latest concert tour and a few ads too and I think Japan is turning out to be a lucrative market for Hayley (in her terms). I think she's doing very nicely over there! Cheers, Dave
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Post by Dave on Jul 19, 2008 14:06:28 GMT
In the Dunstable thread,I was told that 78,000 copies of the Japanese album have been sold to date, of which 4 or 5 certainly bore Hayley’s personal greeting after Thursday evening. That figure, if I’m not mistaken Dave, equates to roughly the UK sales of Treasure? All in all a success in terms of both sales and musical accomplishment. Hi James, Yes, the similarities of "Japanese Songs" with the UK version "Treasure" are remarkable. The figure given to you in Dunstable (by Steve?) are almost certainly record company shipments i.e. CDs sent out to shops but not necessarily sold yet and Treasure would have been roughly the same (but I don't have the shipment figures). For anyone who doesn't know, records actually sold in the shops etc., are always a lot less in the early weeks after a new album is released (it takes time to sell the initial stock!) and the comparison is as follows: Chart positions (weeks and total sales)UK Treasure - main chart 9 - 21 - 25 - 40 - 76 - 97 (after 6 weeks, 55,000 sold) Japanese Songs - main chart 12 - 10 - 23 - 42 - 46 - 58 (after 6 weeks, 52,000 sold) But we should remember that UK Treasure was "abandoned" in its first week of release, as Hayley headed Stateside for the Celtic Woman tour and the promotion then stopped abruptly. Japanese Songs was heavily promoted not only by the tour in Japan (and no doubt TV advertising) but also by a single that charted too (the duet with the late Minako Honda). Hayley's previous Japanese Album "Amazing Grace - Best Of) has sold approaching 20,000 copies. CD prices in Japan are much higher than in the UK so I think the record company will be making more money from Japanese album than from UK Treasure - and Hayley will be hopefully doing well from all the touring etc. Cheers, Dave
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Post by milewalker on Jul 19, 2008 20:54:25 GMT
But we should remember that UK Treasure was "abandoned" in its first week of release, Hi Dave. I can see how abruptly cutting off promotion in the UK might hurt Hayley's rate of sales, but I am unsure if this should affect the overall sales of the album over time. Perhaps there is something about the UK involving this I dont understand. It is a general rule of niche performers in the US certainly, and I suspect also the UK, that they sometimes place very high initially on the charts as a finite but very loyal group of people all go out and buy the album as soon as it is released. When that happens, the chart numbers will fall dramatically at some point whether the album is promoted or not. You can see this effect at a low level with Hayley on Billboard. Her profle in the UK is obviously much higher than in the US - which means the initial group of buyers is potentially much higher - but is there something about the UK in particular which would change the overall logic of this? I can see why stopping promotion as soon as she did would make her chart position fall soooner than it would, because some of the likely buyers would not have gotten the word that a new album was out. However, I suspect that most of them would get the word eventually regardless. A few month later she was touring the UK again - and while she wasnt directly "promoting" Treasure, I would bet the sales numbers did jump measureably upon her return. Under the circumstances, shouldnt she still approach the maximum number of sales over time given the combination of what promotion she did do and her existing profile there? Jon
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Post by Dave on Jul 20, 2008 0:47:06 GMT
But we should remember that UK Treasure was "abandoned" in its first week of release, I can see why stopping promotion as soon as she did would make her chart position fall soooner than it would, because some of the likely buyers would not have gotten the word that a new album was out. However, I suspect that most of them would get the word eventually regardless. A few month later she was touring the UK again - and while she wasnt directly "promoting" Treasure, I would bet the sales numbers did jump measureably upon her return. Under the circumstances, shouldnt she still approach the maximum number of sales over time given the combination of what promotion she did do and her existing profile there? Jon Hi Jon, Sales dropped of quicker than usual after the first week and in 3 to 5 weeks as I recall, it was out of the supermarkets (Hayley's main sales outlet). A couple of follow-up TV appearances during that time (as she usually does but did not last time) and a small amount of TV advertising (which I think stopped when she left) would have stabilised sales for a couple of weeks and I am sure it would have stayed on the shelves longer. I reckon Treasure may have lost 10,000 to 20,000 from its "impulse-buy" sales but obviously, it was a lot more important for Hayley to join Celtic Woman. For Decca (who would have benefited most), tough! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif By the time Hayley returned to the UK in June, it was too late as availability was limited to online, download and specialist shops like HMV (where classical crossover buyers often fear to tread - Richard excepted!). It did climb the classical chart by a few places and held the gains throughout the summer but never re-entered the pop chart again and as you know, that's where the real sales are achieved. It was never promoted again, except at the summer concerts. It seems to me that we may now be going to get some catch-up, with the compilation River of Dreams getting a prime release slot (November) followed hopefully by the mooted all-new album within 6 months. I think it's unrealistic to expect River of Dreams to match any of Hayley's recent albums in sales unless Decca are willing to put a lot of effort into it (when it might do because of tour and the time of year). I see River of Dreams as a profile-raiser in advance of the main album next year and by then, we will really know how well Hayley is doing in the UK, over 5 years on. Fingers crossed! Cheers, Dave
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Post by larryhauck on Jul 20, 2008 17:54:27 GMT
Hello All,
I can't understand why promotion was suspended. TREASURE (U K version) is my favorite album. Although I think they are are great.
Larry
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Post by milewalker on Jul 20, 2008 20:03:22 GMT
Hi Larry
Hayley had to personally leave the UK about a week after the CD was released to join up with Celtic Woman. That much is understandable.
Frankly, I dont know why other types of promotion werent done in her absence. I have a suspicion why this might be, but I dont know that such speculation on my part is warranted at this point.
Jon
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Post by Dave on Oct 27, 2008 14:19:51 GMT
Hi everyone, The UK music industry magazine Music Week has today reported the following information about Hayley's last UK album, Treasure: New releases this weekHayley Westenra - River Of Dreams: Very Best Of (UCJ) Previous album (first-week sales/total sales): Treasure (19,201/79,653)When I last I had an exact figure, 20th January, it was 75,797 "across-the-counter" sales and since then it's been out of the classical chart continuously (for 38 consecutive weeks). So it's been selling at the rate of 100 a week/5,000 a year while out of the classical artist top 20. Not a lot of people know that. Dave
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Post by Dave on Feb 27, 2009 14:20:44 GMT
Hello everyone,
I've just found a slightly updated sales figure for the Hayley Sings Japanese Songs album in Japan last year.
After its 9th week in the official Japanese ORICON chart (7th August 2008) it was at position 92 and sold 1,767 copies, with total sales to that date of 58,108.
I can so far find no charts or sales information after that, but it will have continued to accumulate sales while in the Top 300 and probably stayed there for at least another month. So I think it's safe to say that it has sold over 60,000 copies.
Because of the strength of the Japanese Yen compared to the pound sterling, and the higher price of CDs in Japan, it is almost certain that the income from the Japanese album substantially exceeded the income from Treasure in the UK, even though UK Treasure sold about 20,000 more copies.
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Post by Dave on Aug 14, 2009 20:05:07 GMT
Hello everyone,
There is some up to date sales information in this week's "Music Week" about the original UK edition of "Pure" and also, the other biggest selling artist albums of all time in the UK classical chart. This is in advance of a reissue of Nigel Kennedy's landmark album "The Four Seasons" by Vivaldi, next month.
1,200,000+ Nigel Kennedy - The Four Seasons (1989) 748,299 Russell Watson - The Voice (2001) 694,139 Hayley Westenra - Pure (2003) 588,665 Charlotte Church - Voice of An Angel (1998) 511,264 Katherine Jenkins - Living A Dream (2005 - probably, otherwise Second Nature - sales are very close)
Pure Special Edition has sold at least 83,000 copies so we now know for certain why Pure was top of the "Biggest Selling Classical Album of the Century" chart broadcast by Classic FM over the 2008 New Year. The UK total of the two editions is therefore at least 777,139 copies, about 30,000 more than Russell Watson's The Voice.
But it seems, only The Thee Tenors in Concert, Luciano Pavarotti and the Titanic are in Nigel Kennedy's "over a million" league. The figures also show that we cannot rely on Decca Press releases for accuracy, in 2007/8 they claimed 900,000 UK sales for Pure, well I don't think that can be correct, not even for UK shipments to shops... though the shipments total should be somewhere over 800,000.
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Post by Dave on Sept 29, 2009 0:35:51 GMT
Hi everyone, In order to answer some questions from Juliette, I have now done an up to date estimate of Hayley's CD sales around the World. Accurate and confirmed information is hard to obtain apart from in the UK and NZ (and for Celtic Woman in the US and Oz) but I have done what I think is a reasonable guesstimate in order to test various claims that I've seen, ranging from 3 million to over 4 million sales. I think it is safe to say that Hayley has now sold over 3 million CDs Worldwide and over 4 million if you include the sales of Celtic Woman - A New Journey (the CD and the DVD). This is I think in line with what we've seen in the press but it clarifies that the 4 million must include Celtic Woman - A New Journey. Juliette, to answer your other questions, Pure has sold about two million copies, Odyssey has sold nearly half a million, Treasure/Celtic Treasure about 250,000 and River of Dreams less than 100,000. The rest is made up of the two NZ locally released albums and several locally released Japanese albums and singles. If anyone has more specific questions about this, feel free to ask. I will leave it to Juliette to explain (if she wishes) why she has requested this information. Cheers, Dave
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Post by Jillian on Sept 30, 2009 6:05:16 GMT
Thanks for going to all that trouble, Dave! It's very interesting to see the sales. Fingers crossed that the next international release will have sales to rival Pure's!
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Post by Juliette on Sept 30, 2009 20:37:28 GMT
Thank you very much Dave for your help and all your research!! It's a huge help. For others members, I've requested this information because I'm updating Hayley's french Wikipedia page which is really brief. And I needed to know how much sales Hayley has done. So thanks again Dave!
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