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Post by Martin on Aug 28, 2017 17:53:55 GMT
Totally agree, Dave. However, it was all about total sales. At least Hayley won in 2007 based on sales in the 21st century. My hopes sank when I heard the winner.
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Post by martindn on Aug 29, 2017 11:13:45 GMT
Of course the only two people who beat Hayley, Russell Watson and James Horner have both worked with Hayley! Remids me of the lost masterpeice "The New World" by James Horner and featuring Hayley. I wonder how that would have sold if they had used JH's score in the film. Sadly. we will never know.
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Post by martindn on Aug 29, 2017 11:21:08 GMT
I was surprised by that No. 1 result though. When I switched on my car radio on my return from Rutland Water yesterday, CFM played a long succession of tracks by The Three Tenors, with no speech on between. This went on for about half an hour, and I assumed 3T had won it, as you would. But they were actually playing tracks from the No 15 album!
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Post by Dave on Aug 29, 2017 15:01:08 GMT
Hi Martin,
I think what happened with Three Tenors is that the chart compilers were strict about the sales cutoff date, before which no sales could be included. I've now investigated the dates and their cutoff was 7 September 1992 when CFM first went on air - but the original Three Tenors In Concert album (originally called "Carreras, Domingo, Pavarotti - In Concert") first charted in the UK on 1st. September 1990. It was top of the main album chart for 5 weeks and has been in the main album chart top 75 for a total of 69 weeks, the last of which was in early 1992. This info is from The Official Charts website.
Clearly, the album will have been in the classical chart and lower reaches of the main album chart for far longer than that and would have sold enough after 7 September 1992 to achieve the no. 60 slot (named in the list as as The Three Tenors - In Concert).
But that album is a quintuple platinum album in the UK, so sales exceed 1.5 million. It is WAY ahead of Titanic or anything else in the classical world but sadly, the strictness of the cutoff date excludes 90% of its sales. IMO, it should have been acknowledged in some way in the chart or by a special mention at the end - and also Hayley's two Pure releases should have had sales combined because Classic FM themselves have done that on previous occasions, and the main disc in both cases is the same. Hayley would then have been ahead of Russell Watson i.e. no. 2 (or no. 3 if we include Three Tenors).
So while it's a nice idea for a chart, the artificial nature of it with arbitrary cutoff dates and changed rules for combining sales of re-releases leave me a bit cold, because they tend to mislead the general public. Wish they'd gone back a bit further.
Cheers, Dave
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Post by martindn on Aug 30, 2017 10:43:31 GMT
Thanks for the clarification Dave.
Yes, that's sad. I think the chart was a good idea and enjoyed listening to it. Perhaps the reason why they played so many tracks from the No 15 entry was by way of compensating for the fact that the rules had been very unfair to 3T.
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Post by Juliette on Sept 4, 2017 21:26:59 GMT
Hi Martin, I think what happened with Three Tenors is that the chart compilers were strict about the sales cutoff date, before which no sales could be included. I've now investigated the dates and their cutoff was 7 September 1992 when CFM first went on air - but the original Three Tenors In Concert album (originally called "Carreras, Domingo, Pavarotti - In Concert") first charted in the UK on 1st. September 1990. It was top of the main album chart for 5 weeks and has been in the main album chart top 75 for a total of 69 weeks, the last of which was in early 1992. This info is from The Official Charts website. Clearly, the album will have been in the classical chart and lower reaches of the main album chart for far longer than that and would have sold enough after 7 September 1992 to achieve the no. 60 slot (named in the list as as The Three Tenors - In Concert). But that album is a quintuple platinum album in the UK, so sales exceed 1.5 million. It is WAY ahead of Titanic or anything else in the classical world but sadly, the strictness of the cutoff date excludes 90% of its sales. IMO, it should have been acknowledged in some way in the chart or by a special mention at the end - and also Hayley's two Pure releases should have had sales combined because Classic FM themselves have done that on previous occasions, and the main disc in both cases is the same. Hayley would then have been ahead of Russell Watson i.e. no. 2 (or no. 3 if we include Three Tenors). So while it's a nice idea for a chart, the artificial nature of it with arbitrary cutoff dates and changed rules for combining sales of re-releases leave me a bit cold, because they tend to mislead the general public. Wish they'd gone back a bit further. Cheers, Dave Hello everyone and Dave, It's been quite a while since I last posted on HWI, and it's nice to be back on here--I hope everyone is doing well I actually had a look at my trusted-HWI forum because I couldn't understand as well why Pure was featured twice in the chart--thank you for this clarification! I don't really understand either the motivation for not combining releases of a same album, because as you mention it is after all the same album. Maybe did they do it like that because it was easier to compile the chart this way, than having a look at all the albums that have had subsequent re-releases and combining them... However, on the part about the arbitrary cutoff dates, even though I completely understand your disappointment and I have to admit my own joy at the nb 1 because James Horner is my favourite composer, I don't think Classic FM has been misleading us in the ranking or has been lacking honesty towards us. I'm saying that just because all throughout the countdown, they kept making the mention that, thinking about their upcoming silver jubilee, they thought it would be fun to make a bigger chart covering the last 25 years, keeping on saying all through the weekend that they were counting the albums that sold the most over the last 25 years only, and only in this timespan. I somehow guessed the number one would be Titanic because I thought, in the last 25 years, it was definitely the album that sold the most, since it has had so much impact in that timespan, but I also thought obvious and inevitable that in the years before that, or counting the years before that, other albums would have sold much more. So I just wanted to say (probably just in Classic FM's defence ) that I believed we had all the information necessary to understand their motives, the result of the chart and infer that it would not be the actual ranking if we counted all the sales. As such, I don't think they have misled us. Although, I agree with you, it wouldn't have cost them to add that information about the Three Tenors' album, and as a result be a bit more fair regarding its total sale number All the best, Juliette
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Post by Dave on Sept 4, 2017 23:06:06 GMT
Hi Juliette, good to see you here again! You have written a stirring defence of Titanic and CFM there and yes, I can see why they did it this way, though I still feel that they should have placed it in its correct historical context by explaining why The Three Tenors weren't up there at the top. Even I didn't realise at first that their first 'World Cup' album pre-dated Classic FM by two years and I bet there are more than a few puzzled CFM listeners out there. Maybe they wil do a definitive 'all time' list next year or sometime, and if they do, Pavarotti and Co. will attain their true status at the top of that particular pile. Yes you've guessed it, I like Pavarotti, Carreras and Domingo! Cheers, Dave
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Post by Libby on Sept 4, 2017 23:53:25 GMT
It may have also had to do with the fact that the composer died tragically 2 years ago, though that doesn't seem like a "fair" reason, but it might a reason nonetheless.
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Post by martindn on Sept 5, 2017 10:33:44 GMT
It may have also had to do with the fact that the composer died tragically 2 years ago, though that doesn't seem like a "fair" reason, but it might a reason nonetheless. I doubt that Libby. And I doubt that James Horner's death made any difference to sales in the UK. I only which he had discovered Hayley earlier, then she might have sung "My Heart Will Go On". I've just gone off Celine Dion having seen her crass statement about hating America (she clearly doesn't hate all the dollars she has made by selling records there). Why can't these people stay out of politics as Hayley does? Martin D
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Post by Dave on Sept 5, 2017 16:18:51 GMT
Meanwhile, after being replaced last week by the Ultimate Chart, the weekly Classic FM Chart is back. "The soundtrack for Game of Thrones - Season 7 by Ramin Djawadi enters the Classic FM Chart straight at no. 1, knocking fellow soundtrack Dunkirk off the top of the chart after over a month." 3 September 2017 - Classic FM Chart
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1 | NEW | GAME OF THRONES - SEASON 7 - OST, RAMIN DJAWADI Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 2 | 2 | ISLANDS - ESSENTIAL EINAUDI, LUDOVICO EINAUDI Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 3 | NEW | EULOGY FOR EVOLUTION 2017, OLAFUR ARNALDS Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 4 | 19 | LAST NIGHT OF THE PROMS - THE ULTIMATE, VARIOUS ARTISTS Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 5 | 1 | DUNKIRK - OST, HANS ZIMMER Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 6 | 5 | GAME OF THRONES - SEASON 6 - OST, RAMIN DJAWADI Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 7 | NEW | EMBRACE, NATALIA KRISHTOPETS Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 8 | RE | CLASSIC FM - WILLIAMS/THE LARK ASCENDING, ASMIF/MARRINER Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 9 | RE | CLASSIC FM - PIANO FAVOURITES, VARIOUS ARTISTS Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 10 | RE | CLASSIC FM - HOLST/PLANETS, MONTREAL SO/DUTOIT Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 11 | 6 | PEACEFUL PIANO, VARIOUS ARTISTS Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 12 | NEW | MENDELSSOHN/VIOLIN CONCERTO - SYM NO 5, FAUST/FREIBURG BO/HERAS-CASADO Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 13 | 16 | SCORE, 2CELLOS Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 14 | RE | CLASSIC FM - LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY, VARIOUS ARTISTS Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 15 | 8 | THE LITTLE MERMAID - OST, ALAN MENKEN Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 16 | 12 | ELEMENTS, LUDOVICO EINAUDI Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 17 | RE | CLASSIC FM - VIVALDI/THE FOUR SEASONS, STANDAGE/ECO/PINNOCK Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 18 | 7 | THE 50 GREATEST PIECES OF CLASSICAL MUSIC, LPO/PARRY Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 19 | 9 | GLADIATOR - OST, HANS ZIMMER & LISA GERRARD Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 20 | 13 | THE LORD OF THE RINGS - TRILOGY - OST, HOWARD SHORE Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 21 | NEW | TCHAIKOVSKY/MANFRED SYMPHONY, CZECH PO/BYCHKOV Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 22 | 29 | THE ARMED MAN - A MASS FOR PEACE, KARL JENKINS Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 23 | 15 | IN A TIME LAPSE, LUDOVICO EINAUDI Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 24 | NEW | BEETHOVEN, EVGENY KISSIN Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 25 | NEW | THE GREAT, LUCIANO PAVAROTTI Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 26 | RE | SLEEP, MAX RICHTER Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 27 | 23 | DIVENIRE, LUDOVICO EINAUDI Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 28 | 22 | BEHIND THE COUNTER WITH MAX RICHTER, VARIOUS ARTISTS Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 29 | 21 | THE LORD OF THE RINGS - OST, HOWARD SHORE Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes | 30 | NEW | MAXWELL-DAVIES/THE LAST ISLAND, HEBRIDES ENSEMBLE Buy from Amazon - Download from iTunes |
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