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Post by martindn on Mar 18, 2014 21:45:13 GMT
You are right Libby but how do you k now (rubbing salt into your wound). I hve cleaned up audio of several ofher asian concerts last year that were absolutely superb performances.
Martin D
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Post by Libby on Mar 19, 2014 5:19:57 GMT
You are right Libby but how do you k now (rubbing salt into your wound). I hve cleaned up audio of several ofher asian concerts last year that were absolutely superb performances. Martin D Do I really need to answer that question?
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Post by Bamafan on Mar 31, 2014 1:55:26 GMT
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Post by Simba on Apr 7, 2014 16:57:05 GMT
I don't think anyone would have seen the full version of this, Hayley singing Dulaman as part of Celtic woman! www.youtube.com/watch?v=0un1Kqu1kaoI've always wanted to listen to her performance fully, have died searching for it everywhere, all we had was just a short clip earlier. While there's nothing much in the video, it gives us a glimpse of what it was like atleast with the whole song. Hayley nailed the song, a VERY difficult song that too. Celtic woman was a milestone in Hayley's career, I'd love to see her doing a short tour with them again. She definitely can't go there and sing songs in a nasal/pop tone XD
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Post by Libby on Apr 7, 2014 19:39:54 GMT
I don't think anyone would have seen the full version of this, Hayley singing Dulaman as part of Celtic woman! www.youtube.com/watch?v=0un1Kqu1kaoI've always wanted to listen to her performance fully, have died searching for it everywhere, all we had was just a short clip earlier. While there's nothing much in the video, it gives us a glimpse of what it was like atleast with the whole song. Hayley nailed the song, a VERY difficult song that too. Celtic woman was a milestone in Hayley's career, I'd love to see her doing a short tour with them again. She definitely can't go there and sing songs in a nasal/pop tone XD She's not going to "go there", so I doubt anyone has to worry about that. Anyway, if Chloe could be in it with her beautiful pop sound, then certainly Hayley's beautiful pop sound would be welcome, too, if she were to do that.
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Post by Simba on Apr 7, 2014 21:43:37 GMT
Lol, as good as Chloe is I thought she didn't fit in with the rest of the people with her new singing technique. I much preferred Mairead Carlin when she replaced her. Though I think Chloe's new technique is wonderful, beautiful like you mentioned, I heard her recent songs, she sang an Abba number and was brilliant.
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Post by Libby on Apr 9, 2014 4:26:22 GMT
Having a unique voice doesn't mean you don't fit in. Why would you want them to sound exactly the same? I have never heard the new singer, though, and probably won't until they come out with something completely new.
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Post by Simba on Apr 9, 2014 7:46:36 GMT
It's interesting to note the things we tell us to comfort ourselves....somethings just don't work Libby. Rock fans will be outraged if they heard an opera person singing their songs. Fits for any genre, unless that's the specialty of said singer/band or their trying to do some weird fusion. Celtic woman have a sound, they have a particular style. And for them to work as a successful group, they need to work together as is the case with any team, nobody is meant to stand out, they're supposed to sound great together. With all the riffs and runs and the over-emotional renditions of Chloe she simply outsings the rest. Yes she's singing it brilliantly, but with the group I don't think so. That's the thing we need to understand about duets or group performances, it's NOT about a single person. And they don't have to be unique and stand out from the other/others. There has to be some Chemistry between the performers for any group effort to work. I recall you're from a Choir, a much bigger team, how odd would it be if we had "a Beyonce" in the team? Ofcourse she's unique, different, and amazing. But we don't want unique here. Uniqueness in personality/tone is fine, but technique and method should be the same. I wouldn't blame anyone because I used to be a very defensive person too, but it's when we start looking at things in an unbiased view, things fall into perspective. Nothing to lose
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Post by martindn on Apr 9, 2014 10:56:16 GMT
It's interesting to note the things we tell us to comfort ourselves....somethings just don't work Libby. Rock fans will be outraged if they heard an opera person singing their songs. You mean like Queen's "Barcelona" or G4's "Bohemian Rhapsody". And that is only one rock band, and I think both of those do work! Or conversely Elvis Presley's "It's Now of Never". Martin D
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Post by Simba on Apr 9, 2014 11:05:13 GMT
That's the thing we'd like it because we're into classical music, it was just an example, take it this way, a rock version of O Mio Babbino? That's the point I'm trying to make, ofcourse stating extremes to make the point obvious. (given that rock people might actually like it...)
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Post by Libby on Apr 10, 2014 2:06:21 GMT
It's interesting to note the things we tell us to comfort ourselves....somethings just don't work Libby. Rock fans will be outraged if they heard an opera person singing their songs. Fits for any genre, unless that's the specialty of said singer/band or their trying to do some weird fusion. Celtic woman have a sound, they have a particular style. And for them to work as a successful group, they need to work together as is the case with any team, nobody is meant to stand out, they're supposed to sound great together. With all the riffs and runs and the over-emotional renditions of Chloe she simply outsings the rest. Yes she's singing it brilliantly, but with the group I don't think so. That's the thing we need to understand about duets or group performances, it's NOT about a single person. And they don't have to be unique and stand out from the other/others. There has to be some Chemistry between the performers for any group effort to work. I recall you're from a Choir, a much bigger team, how odd would it be if we had "a Beyonce" in the team? Ofcourse she's unique, different, and amazing. But we don't want unique here. Uniqueness in personality/tone is fine, but technique and method should be the same. I wouldn't blame anyone because I used to be a very defensive person too, but it's when we start looking at things in an unbiased view, things fall into perspective. Nothing to lose I'm not trying to comfort myself, Simba. How silly. What I said is what I believe. I think it would be boring to have all the singers in a group like CW be too sound-alike. CW are not a choir, they are a singing group. Within a singing group, they have different singers who have different sounds, because they not only sing things together, they also have their solo parts, as well as their own solo performances. As for having a "Beyonce" in a choir... the "Beyonces" get the solo parts, maybe. Anyway, how can one not be "biased"? Yes, I'm biased because I think Chloe has always had a beautiful voice, and yes, she's always been one of my favorites in the group. But anyway, back in Slane Castle, and the first DVD, too, every member had a unique sound. Lisa Kelly also has a distinctive voice that stood out from the rest, but I don't see you criticizing her. Only pop voices get discriminated against, I see, which you're now doing with Hayley. Orla did, too. So did Meav. So did Hayley. But ever since Hayley, Meav, and Orla left, girls like Lynn, Alex, new Lisa, and Susan all had/have very lovely voices, but I often had a difficult time differentiating their voices when just listening to their songs without seeing them too. In the last 2 DVDs I have, (Believe and Songs from the Heart) Chloe and Lisa's voices have often been the only voices I can definitely differentiate between, because they are so distinctive. There were times when I had trouble with Lynn and Alex, though Lynn had a certain way of using her voice that usually helped me know, but not always. I never was crazy about Alex, though, and her solos at the last concert I went to were not my favorites, in fact her repetitive movements annoyed me. I think you're the only one who doesn't like people to be unique. When I hear singing groups, duets, etc., I don't want them to sound exactly the same, otherwise, what's the point of the duet? If I want to hear a choir, I'll listen to a choir. But CW, and Hayley and Yukari, are not choirs. There's a difference. After all this, I'm wondering how we got from Dulaman to Chloe and Beyonce. LOL
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Post by gillette on Apr 10, 2014 2:32:44 GMT
Hi all, - A nice video of Hayley's "Hana Wa Saku" (with beautiful pictures) just went up today (Apr 9) posted by SingX. Google - westenra hana wa saku. BobS
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Post by Simba on Apr 13, 2014 10:03:03 GMT
Libby I don't know why it's so hard to understand the difference between singing technique and voice timber. I don't know how better to explain this, but I love uniqueness in tone, but your examples only support my point. Lisa, Meav, Orla, Hayley, Chloe back in those times (in my opinion the best line up) had unique voices, and I used to think the perfect combination of husky, sharp, highs and deeps...with Hayley's being the sharpest/clearest. BUT Understand this, they ALL had the "SAME SINGING TECHNIQUE", with some effort I think everyone should be able to understand Libby. They all had a particular way of singing which went in and out as a group performed. Ofcourse I wouldn't want to hear the same "voice", I'd want voices to stand out because of their VOICE not the way they are singing. Hayley has a unique tone that will stand out no matter where even in a group like Celtic woman I could almost all the time hear her voice. She DOESN'T have to sing differently for this (like in Inori), she'd have stood out even if they sang the same way. EDIT: And Chloe knows that she has to sing a classical number like Ave Maria the classical way even now. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElWK5PjzPnE (ofcourse with her own twist, I like it) It's a simple thing Hayley needs to understand that's all.
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Post by Libby on Apr 14, 2014 5:12:07 GMT
Okay, now I think I'm understanding what you mean, sort of. They have their own unique sound, yet they're using the same singing technique. Okay, that makes sense... sort of. But I never saw any harm in Chloe using her voice to her best ability, and I've always admired her voice, no matter how and when she's used it.
But we don't need to be saying that Hayley "needs" to understand something. She sounded perfectly classical to me on Brahm's Lullaby, for example, and When At Night (even if the full song didn't turn out to be classical enough, her voice itself sounds classical).
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Post by Simba on Apr 14, 2014 9:28:12 GMT
Thanks, I admire Chloe too even now, I actually enjoy her latest endeavors. But with Celtic woman I liked her previous role better as now with the bigger vocals she seems to be overpowering the rest, but anyway I'm glad you got what I was to say, agreed or not. Brahm's Lullaby was perfect I loved it, she sounded crystal clear and very sweet but that wasn't her classical tone. But I wouldn't complain because it was a solo performance and she sounded great that way as it is. When at night though was brilliant with the overlaps and all but wasn't nearly classical considering it's operatic origin I'd imagine it being sung like how she sang O Mio Babino. But it was great nevertheless, I think our question of argument is when said singers are in a group or a duet, I don't mind Hayley singing Classical songs her own way when it's just her in the picture XD Anyway thanks for putting up with me Libby, to go back on topic, let me share this wonderful video promoting Treasure (I've made up my mind, my favourite Hayley album) www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5iPbk0gjCQIt has some nice videos of Hayley singing in the studio I wish they were in full. Treasure I'm guessing had a lot of music videos never released.
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