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Post by I-H-F on Mar 14, 2008 1:06:27 GMT
Sorry folks, but Josh Groban does nothing for me.  Richard  I agree. Hayley performed 'The Prayer' absolutely brilliantly on her own - why bother with Groban?? |
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Post by Libby on Mar 15, 2008 23:55:52 GMT
Hayley performed 'The Prayer' absolutely brilliantly on her own - why bother with Groban?? This is not a poll on whether Hayley should sing The Prayer with Josh Groban. It's whether you'd like her to sing anything with him at all. You're right, she doesn't need to "bother" to sing it with Josh. But, when has she ever performed it on her own? In that video on Youtube Hayley does NOT sing it all on her own. The choir sings quite a large chunk of it without Hayley, which was very disappointing. All Hayley sang was the beginning and ending verses, which was not enough. I wanted to hear Hayley sing those parts, not the choir.  If you think it was great to hear Hayley sing little bits of it in between the choir, then I'm sure you could handle hearing her sing more of it with Josh Groban. |
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Post by I-H-F on Mar 16, 2008 1:10:20 GMT
Hayley performed 'The Prayer' absolutely brilliantly on her own - why bother with Groban?? This is not a poll on whether Hayley should sing The Prayer with Josh Groban. It's whether you'd like her to sing anything with him at all. Well, i was giving my opinion on 'The Prayer' as it was mentioned earlier in this thread. And i wouldn't want him duetting with Hayley on it - or any other song for that matter, as i'm not a fan of his, as i have stated. You're right, she doesn't need to "bother" to sing it with Josh. But, when has she ever performed it on her own? In that video on Youtube Hayley does NOT sing it all on her own. The choir sings quite a large chunk of it without Hayley, which was very disappointing. All Hayley sang was the beginning and ending verses, which was not enough. I wanted to hear Hayley sing those parts, not the choir. Yes, Hayley didn't sing it all on her own, but the choir wasn't too bad actually i thought. Yes, I would've liked to see Hayley sing it all by herself also, but what she did sing was beautiful. If you think it was great to hear Hayley sing little bits of it in between the choir, then I'm sure you could handle hearing her sing more of it with Josh Groban. And no, I'd prefer Hayley singing with a choir than Josh Groban - Just my personal opinion. |
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Post by loveyou on Mar 16, 2008 13:37:47 GMT
You loyal members¡¯s personal tastefulness of some music should be respected.  Nevertheless, Don¡¯t you think that ¡°the prayer¡± video is so beautiful not only because of Hayley Westenra singing but also because of many other ¡°Hayley Westenra¡± singing together? i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif |
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Post by comet on Mar 16, 2008 14:28:25 GMT
Hi Folks, This debate seems to be going on both forums,  sometimes the most obvious things are the things we are not aware of. Simple biology, Attraction of opposites..More females will find Josh's voice attractive than males. more males will find Hayley's voice attractive than females. I would listen to Hayley sing nursery rhymes if she released an album of them. Carol King, an old favourite of mine released a similar album which I have (But don't play often  ) I would simply laugh if Josh Groban released an album of Nursery Rhymes. But I imagine many of his female fans would buy it and derive some degree of pleasure from it. Our sense of judgment is swayed by the factor of basic attraction of opposites. I will not listen to a man singing songs I don't like just because he has a great voice. There has to be a great song and or great music. But I am prepared to listen to a great female voice no matter what the song is simply for the pleasure of listening to the attractive voice. Have a look at your music collection and see if you have bought music simply because you found the singer attractive. I bet some of the blokes have Spice Girls, Kylie, Dido , Pink, and various other female artists simply because they are attractive ! I bet some of the girls have Boyzone , Westlife, Shayne Ward, and various other male artists simply because they are attractive ! |
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Post by Dave on Mar 16, 2008 17:43:09 GMT
Simple biology, Attraction of opposites..More females will find Josh's voice attractive than males. more males will find Hayley's voice attractive than females. That's certainly true for some people Paul but I have to say, I don't think I've ever bought an album of music for that (male/female) reason. About half of the singers whose albums I've bought over the last few years have been male and the other half female - if I like the music, I will buy it. It just so happens that I like most of Hayley's music!  Incidentally, I don't think Hayley will ever record a duet with Josh, nor is she likely to record another with Andrea Bocelli as I suspect they would probably charge too much! Cheers, Dave |
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Post by milewalker on Mar 16, 2008 20:36:33 GMT
Simple biology, Attraction of opposites..More females will find Josh's voice attractive than males. more males will find Hayley's voice attractive than females. That's certainly true for some people Paul but I have to say, I don't think I've ever bought an album of music for that (male/female) reason. About half of the singers whose albums I've bought over the last few years have been male and the other half female - if I like the music, I will buy it. It just so happens that I like most of Hayley's music! Incidentally, I don't think Hayley will ever record a duet with Josh, nor is she likely to record another with Andrea Bocelli as I suspect they would probably charge too much! Cheers, Dave Hi Dave, There are specific differences in any case of course, but I think that Comet has a valid point overall. If my own interpretetion of demographics is true, I think it is fair to say that most people are more likely to become fans of an artist of the opposite sex - and that therefore any valid analysis of the mainstream appeal of a particular artist has to bear that in mind. I do agree that such a duet with Josh is quite unlikely - unless of course he has reason to wish to raise his profile in the UK. Jon |
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Post by Dave on Mar 16, 2008 21:32:26 GMT
Hi Jon, I wasn't disagreeing with Paul, I was just explaining why *I* buy music. What about you?  Back on topic, I think if Josh wanted to raise his profile in the UK he (well his advisers) would probably offer Katherine Jenkins the chance to do a duet rather than Hayley, she has more of the kind of mass appeal here that Josh has in the States (though even here, she's much less 'popular' than he is in the States). And in the US, I think his (advisers') price would be too high to make it worthwhile. Cheers, Dave |
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Post by milewalker on Mar 17, 2008 2:19:52 GMT
Heh Dave, That is a fair enough question . Once the soundtracks and compliations are removed from my collection, the majority of the remainder are female singers. There is probably a more profound skew there than the actual numbers, because I have a great many recordings by John Denver. Remove him, and the remainder is about 75 percent female. I certainly buy more "easy listening" music than any other genre - but among the occasional exceptions are people like Avril Lavigne, Kelly Clarson, the group Evanescence (whose lead singer is Amy Lee). and the group Dead Can Dance (Lisa Gerard) I would probably listen to Josh Groban more, but my wife keeps absconding with the CD's..... Sorry to be off topic - but you did ask Jon |
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Post by socalboy on Mar 17, 2008 16:55:14 GMT
It seems that the Josh Groban/Hayley duet discussion has come down to this: He probably won’t do it because what’s in it for him? And that’s mostly an economic question. It’s a legitimate framing, but it’s not the only one. There are occasions – believe it or not – where artists make non-economic decisions and work with someone because they really want to. James Horner had the world to choose from and selected Hayley for his Pocahontas. He heard something in her voice and knew that’s what he wanted.
The more successful the artist the more luxury they have to make such decisions. Groban is soaring right now and in a position to indulge his personal inclinations without huge risk of taking a big career hit. Teaming up with that “soft and mysterious” voice just might intrigue him. Even if we don’t like Groban, a duet with him would almost certainly boost Hayley’s North American profile.
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Post by stevemacdonald on Mar 17, 2008 20:15:12 GMT
Besides the fact that Groban's foghorn voice would likely overpower Hayley's delicate instrument, there's also an interesting reason not for them to perform together that has nothing to do with their singing: the inevitable tabloid speculation and rumors! Hint... neither one of them is attached right now.
Think about it... Hayley is arguably the most attractive female singer the crossover/popera world has ever seen, and Josh is perhaps looked at as highly desirable in his own right. Even if sparks don't fly in such a pairing, what a juicy story it would make at the rumor mills.
Then there's the not-impossible scenario that they actually would begin to fancy eachother after working closely on a duet. Rather than speculate on that private side of their lives, let me just say it could definately raise Hayley's profile up in places where she currently doesn't have a prayer.
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Post by socalboy on Mar 17, 2008 20:55:37 GMT
Besides the fact that Groban's foghorn voice would likely overpower Hayley's delicate instrument, there's also an interesting reason not for them to perform together that has nothing to do with their singing: the inevitable tabloid speculation and rumors! Hint... neither one of them is attached right now. According to some recent concert reports, rumors of her vocal fragility may be greatly exaggerated. I’ve always thought the lady was holding something in reserve. Think about it... Hayley is arguably the most attractive female singer the crossover/popera world has ever seen, and Josh is perhaps looked at as highly desirable in his own right. Even if sparks don't fly in such a pairing, what a juicy story it would make at the rumor mills. Ah well, Hayley’s endured worse. Just recently, there was this Dame…. Then there's the not-impossible scenario that they actually would begin to fancy eachother after working closely on a duet. Rather than speculate on that private side of their lives, let me just say it could definately raise Hayley's profile up in places where she currently doesn't have a prayer. So are you saying the tradeoff is a couple of spicy National Enquirer stories for double platinum in the States? Let’s let Hayley decide.  And if real sparks should fly - well they could be the Andre Agassi and Steffi Graf of popera. |
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Post by Richard on Mar 18, 2008 14:02:37 GMT
Hello everybody.
In case anybody tries to develop this theme, please remember that Hayley's love life is her own private business. Members of HWI must not try to play matchmaker.
Many thanks,
Richard
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Post by Libby on Mar 30, 2008 20:38:24 GMT
there's also an interesting reason not for them to perform together that has nothing to do with their singing: the inevitable tabloid speculation and rumors! Hint... neither one of them is attached right now. Think about it... Hayley is arguably the most attractive female singer the crossover/popera world has ever seen, and Josh is perhaps looked at as highly desirable in his own right. Even if sparks don't fly in such a pairing, what a juicy story it would make at the rumor mills. This is silly. When Josh dueted with Charlotte Church, were they in the tabloids? There's usually a lot more "juicy" material for the tabloid people to write about than speculation on whether Josh, an American-based singer, and Hayley, a London-based singer, would be dating, simply because they sing one little song together! Last I heard, Josh did have a girlfriend, nobody famous though, and certainly nothing worth putting in a tabloid. If you don't like him, how do you know so much about his love-life? Josh may have a powerful voice, but he does not sound like a foghorn!  Hayley's voice isn't so weak that she'd be overpowered by Josh. If he didn't overpower Charlotte, then he certainly won't overpower Hayley. |
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Post by Nordly on Apr 15, 2008 16:06:59 GMT
If it gets Hayley respect in the US, you bet. I think Josh is ok, so I'm simply voting yes for Hayley.
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And if real sparks should fly - well they could be the Andre Agassi and Steffi Graf of popera. 
