HWI Moving On

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grant said:

Hi Peter!

We're getting good at this aren't we?

However, to tidy things up a bit if you add in front [ then url= and a ] at the end type what you want to appear HERE then [ and /url] with no spaces, you get

HERE

I know, I'm just showing off!!

Best wishes
Grant

Hi Grant.

1. I am delighted for you in your new found mastery and thanks for sharing. BUT
2. It still only takes you to the thread and not to the specific post!

Peter S.

[Dave]

Hi Peter,

Just click the "Link to Post" link which is to be found at the foot of each and every post in the forum.

Then copy the resulting link from your browser address bar and paste it into your new post..

'S easy.

Cheers, Dave

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dave said:

Hi Peter,

Just click the "Link to Post" link which is to be found at the foot of each and every post in the forum.

Then copy the resulting link from your browser address bar and paste it into your new post..

'S easy.

Cheers, Dave

Thanks Dave but that is what I am doing. When i do that and tehn 'prove it' It links to thread not post. Or am I missing somewhere the 'bovious'?
Peter S.

[roger]

Hi Peter,

I have tested "Link to post" and it works well. If you watch the address bar while you click, you should see it add the post number, eg #1183816350 to the end of the existing link.

Roger

[grant]

Hi Peter

This all falls into the category of "It's easy when you know how!" and I think you're probably falling into the same trap as I did

Computers and computer people are, I believe like many cookery books. For example it will tell you when it's time to put the pastry on your pie, but it won't tell you how to make the pastry!!

I hadn't realised that when you select a particular post, it has a unique address which appears in your address bar (the bit where you type in the web address that begins http://hwi. etc.

It's that, that you have to copy and past. Clicking on 'link to post' selects the required address of that post and puts it in the address bar ready. Once you've done that, paste it into your message, add the twiddley bits from my post and away you go.

It does work - honest!!

Best wishes
Grant

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Hi Grant, Dave and Roger.

Thank you for the patience of all three of you. Well it now works except that the only way I seem to be able to achieve it is to manually go back to the post in its position in the thread and to then do the 'link to post'.

That way it works and I can see that it does because my messing about has enabled me to understand the code that makes it work. When I follow the procedure you state when the post is in the 'last thirty' or other list of 'latest posts' the browser only gives me its thread and number but does not give me its position in the thread which is why I originally was only getting a link to the opening post in the thread and not to the actual post within the thread.

Does that make sense? Does that explain anything?

E.G. When clicking 'link to post' on Grant's post in the 'last thirty thread' I gain:
hwi.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Suggestions&action=display&thread=1183236345#1183817801 in the browser window which takes me to the top of the starting post in the thread.

However, if I find that post in its position in the thread and click on 'link to post' I get:
hwi.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Suggestions&action=display&thread=1183236345&page=2#1183817801
in the browser window giving me the exact position because the code then includes the page position. Doing the 'link to post' in the 'last thirty' consistently fails to give me the page position in the thread unless I go to that actual position to do the 'link to post'.
Am I making sense?

Peter S.

[Richard]

Hello Peter and everybody!

To explain it simply, if you want to link to a specific post, you must be viewing that post in its thread for the function to work correctly. It doesn't work if you are viewing the post via any of the search functions.

Richard

[Dave]

Hi Richard, Roger, Grant, Peter, everyone!

Peter, now I understand why you are having trouble... it's because you reply from the "Last 30 Posts" or "Search" functions. Well, I use these functions too, so I'll tell you what I do, it may help.

Whenever I come across a post in the "Last 30" that I wish to reply to, I am aware that there could be subsequent replies that might render my reply incorrect or superfluous. Indeed I have found that in busy threads there are sometimes over half a dozen subsequent replies. So, I do this:

1) Right click on the thread title (of the post I am interested in, within the Last 30 or Search list)

2) Click "Open in New Window"

3) The original thread then opens - in a new browser - at the top of the correct page.

4) I then scroll down to find the post I am interested in.... and I can also read any subsequent posts too, before replying.

5) If I still want to reply to the first post I wanted, or a subsequent response to it, I compose my message from there (not the Last 30 listing), using the Link To Post feature, if needed.

6) When I've posted my reply, I close the new browser window and return to the Last 30 or Search window, and continue reading the posts from where I left off.

It isn't perfect but if like me you prefer to use the Last 30 and Search lists, it is I find the best workaround. I hope it makes sense.

Cheers, Dave

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richnorri said:

Hello Peter and everybody!

To explain it simply, if you want to link to a specific post, you must be viewing that post in its thread for the function to work correctly. It doesn't work if you are viewing the post via any of the search functions.

Richard

THANK YOU RICHARD! I do not dismiss the possibility that I have been singularly obtuse but that explains everything!
Peter S.

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Post #22 makes perfect sense, Dave. I've copied and pasted that post into my master copy of Roger's original Forum Structure post for future reference. In fact, in messing about and better understanding the code I had worked out the same principle but via a different route. Yours might be slightly less cumbersome. I shall try yours next time. In which case I may get used to providing more direct links enabling me to cross threads instinctively while honing my 'topic specific' skills, which doubtless most Moderators would applaud as being most noticeable by there nonappearance!

Peter S.

[Mark Regan]

Would it be possible to set up a thread where fans can discuss songs and/or arrangements they management team with respect to choice of songs (I LOVE Hayley's Latin/Italian/Irish and religious/folk/pop and opera renditions better than most fans), but here in the US it will be necessary to broaden the scope of songs being considered for Hayley to include more rock/pop/folk/country/etc. that are proven chart-topper styles in the USA.

I'd also like for Hayley to be invited to sing for the Pope at his next US or UK visit. This would bring tremendous country-wide and world-wide exposure. She could sing Panis Angelicus or Perry Como's version of Ave Maria during a Mass with hundreds of thousands of participants and millions watching via television worldwide. That would be valuable exposure. It worked for many of the tenors she sings duets with, and it would work for her. I simply cannot believe her management team hasn't gotten an invitation to sing for the Pope yet. A private concert for the Queen of England or President Bush will never draw as many prospective DVD purchasers as singing a couple of songs for the Pope during a visit to the US or England.

I'd also like to see Hayley put together a DVD similar to the her Live in New Zealand DVD, but for the US market, and do the Daniel O'Donnell / CW / Celtic Thunder route on PBS. The CW and CT PBS exposure skyrocketed both groups sufficiently to allow for successful road tours. There is no reason why Hayley could not do the same with an American oriented concert/DVD as she did with her NZ offering, which I LOVE, by the way. The big money in concerts and DVD sales is in the USA, and I sincerely believe that Hayley's management team is overlooking that market with their emphasis on England and Japan promotions. Success in the US will bring about exposure in the rest of the world.

By the way, if any Hayley Fan also likes the late great tenor, Pavarotti, check out his duet with James Brown on You Tube. Imagine Hayley doing a duet with Andrea Bocceli like that (since both Mr. Brown and Mr. Pavarotti have joined God's angelic choir.).

Sorry I ran on so long. I'm new to the forum, and found a lot of "fluff" postings that are fun to read, but I, for one, would like to see some more postings that can actually help Hayley and her management team and studio team and road tour folks more effective in their promotional efforts to ensure faster financial success for Hayley. I'd rather see her sell a million DVDs in the US than a hundred thousand, and to do so, she will have to get a new perspective from her management team with respect to choice of songs (I LOVE Hayley's Latin/Italian/Irish and religious/folk/pop and opera renditions better than most fans), but here in the US it will be necessary to broaden the scope of songs being considered for Hayley to include more rock/pop/folk/country/etc. that are proven chart-topper styles in the USA.

[stephanier]

Hi Mark,

I am Canadian and I also would love to see Hayley get well known in the US and Canada. But why would you wnat her to change the style of music she sings? She is an AMAZIMG soprano, classical cross-over artist...I don't want her to sell out and sing country just to make more money! People (lots of them on this forum) have been SO critical of Charlotte Church when she gave up her classical career to sing pop...they were pretty harsh about it! So won't Hayley's real fans be disappointed if she starts singing middle of the road and Broadway and country just to make money and make it big in North America?
Stephanie R

[Umbobo]

It might be necessary for Hayley to sing Rock and Pop songs to gain more success here in America but as Hayley has matured she has shied away from those types of music, Classical seems to fit her well and the UK and Europe are her biggest buyers of that kind of music, do i think she is fine were she is at. but i wouldn't mind her coming to the US for a few concerts.If Hayley wants to break through in the US with style of music sher needs to have a BIG number one hit or 2 in whatever style of music she see fit to sing.

[Mark Regan]

I don't in any way want Hayley to change her style. I agree with you guys and gals that it is great just like it is. What I am saying is that she could apply her style to some previously successful American chart-toppers and achieve hugh success without changing anything.

For example, I just stumbled upon a song she did about six years ago named "You'll Never Walk Alone" which was originally done in the US in the 1940s in a Broadway play, and then later by numerous artists, including, I believe, Elvis and The Righteous Brothers. I suspect that if Decca releases that song again, just like Hayley did it already (or maybe by adding about 20 or 30 more seconds to it) it would be a top ten hit for her and provide her with more exposure in the pop / crossover market here in the states.

I had never heard of her until CW, and the more I listened to her music and found out about her the more I liked. And I can see NO reason why other Americans can't be lucky enough to find out more about her like the rest of the world already knows.

One thing I am certain of: We here in the states don't need any more American Idol type music. We need more Hayley Westenra type talent. And that's why I think Hayley could be a raging success in this market, simply by doing what she does best.

Another example, her "Mary Did You Know" song would go over well in the states as a single or part of a religious album (including all her other religious songs) if Decca would market it on the religious networks. It is my firm opinion that Decca UK doesn't know how to market in the US. Therefore, maybe they should switch Hayley to another of their labels.

I've even found three Decca / Universal web pages for Hayley that have had bad links to her videos and personal website for a very long time. That company is just not in tune with what is needed to properly market artists now-days. They also do not use YouTube and the other video sites properly. Decca should put copies of her songs and videos on those sites, with links to where they can be downloaded for a modest fee, or links to her website, etc.

I've checked at least 20 WalMarts for music by Hayley -- nothing. And they are America's largest non-internet CD and DVD vendor with retail locations nearly everywhere. Why has Decca not made a marketing deal with them?

I could go on and on, but in respect to you guys and gals, I will cease foaming at the mouth. All I want if for Hayley to get a fair chance at success in the US before she gets OLD (like me) or her voice fades away. I've been in music related businesses long enough to know that all it takes is to meet one person who coughs on her on a plane or at a concert or meet and greet and there (worst case) goes her voice for a bit. I want her to make all the money she can while she has a young, strong voice.

[stevemacdonald]

Great post, Mark! I share your views on almost everything you've stated. Just one quibble, if I may: I don't think Hayley's voice is right anymore for "You'll Never Walk Alone". She did a superb job of it in the past, but it really is a "bravura" piece, the type of which she has moved away from as her voice has matured. Elvis and the Righteous Bros. knew how to belt, and it worked for them for that reason. Hayley would be out of her element in that regard.