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Post by Simba on Dec 23, 2015 19:53:42 GMT
Ofcourse, none of the other Celtic woman members are perfect either. Perfection itself is very questionable. But to give an outrageously extreme analogy and in by no means comparing Eabha, let's say someone of the talent of 'miley cyrus' joins Celtic woman, we reaaally wouldn't be talking about art and rainbows there would we? Even if you're argument here would be as relevant there as well. Miley Cyrus in Celtic Woman, dreadful right? It's all about relative scales. Assuming values of 0 for miley, and 100 for Celtic woman, Eabha, falls somewhere around 70. This doesn't have any theoretical value by any means haha, but it's just easier for people to commonly agree with more drastic and obvious differences. But then again, the lack of a vibrato was very obvious the moment she started singing her part, might not be the case with others. So I'd have to agree with you broadly that one does see what one looks for.
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Post by Simba on Dec 23, 2015 17:35:27 GMT
While what you said maybe true about art in general, there are certain circles within which these work, at-least in a specific genre. There are specific ways in which things are done. Now most people would hate it if someone was singing 'off-key' or off notes. You'd put your foot down to say, obviously she's singing wrongly because she's out of tune! But someone else who's not conditioned to the way we're hearing might or in a different case, tone deaf, would tell you, that's still music to his ears, based on the rules he sets. (even if it's unpleasant to the ears, biologically speaking) Surprisingly all of this is in the subjective realm too. But might be difficult to agree with because of what is regarded as an accepted standard by many. See where I'm coming from? The fact that, her vibrato is non-existent has got nothing to do with what I 'like' or 'dislike' rather what is regarded as good and healthy singing. Now what is good and healthy singing? Singing that keeps you're vocal chords in great shape in the longer run. The likes of Christina Aguilera has almost deteriorated their voices, due to improper singing technique. But still regarded as one of the greatest voices by many. (Sad) Hmm, when ideas are purely only yours and your imagination, chances are it's more subjective and personal than we think it is. Referring relevant sources to back you up, has always been a great method of objective reasoning. Oh well, on the bright side, The deep alto voice is definitely gonna add rich harmonies to their group songs and add considerable depth to those accapellas. So I guess I'm looking forward to all that Celtic woman on the whole, in all these 10 years have never failed to astound me with their amazing music. Ups and downs here and there, but nevertheless consistent throughout.
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Post by Simba on Dec 23, 2015 11:47:08 GMT
No one was talking about excessive vibrato Martin, does any of the other Celtic woman members have excessive vibrato? Not at all, does Hayley have excessive Vibrato? Maybe in recent times for songs like May it be where she's always sung it more 'legato'ish, yes. But besides that to have a natural vibrato is healthy and a sign of good singing and control. There's a reason why even instruments have vibrato, flutes, violins, all of them. Eabha unfortunately has little to no vibrato at all, and when it does come it's feeble and inconsistent. From a trusted source " It is unusual for a singer not to have any natural vibrato in the voice and may indicate bad singing habits, incorrect breathing or posture problems." I really don't wish to debate on this topic, because it's not a matter of argument at all, it's a fact, nothing to agree or not disagree on, other than talent itself being a relative thing. I can however understand how the lack of vibrato can go unnoticed by most people and may not come across as an unusual thing, because the voice still is amazing, and she's hitting all the notes. Though I can only truly establish this when Eabha improves her technique someday and there's a solid recording to compare her own vocals objectively and show how much difference it made. But it's because my ears have been tuned to hear these things more than the average, I lead a humble band in my college and when new vocalists join, sometimes the vibrato is non-existant, so we work with them every day, with vocal exercises that help you develop a natural vibrato, ofcourse that's the healthy way of singing. We're far from being as successful/professional as Celtic Woman, so all the basics are naturally expected of the group's vocalists. It is a sad thing though, new members will always be compared as they have the pressure of living up to the quality that the previous/other members had/have....I'll leave it at that, let the ones who can enjoy her singing do
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Post by Simba on Dec 23, 2015 10:52:34 GMT
I guess you didn't read what I said too well, I love her voice, not denying that. A voice like that should add great depth to a vocal ensemble. And she sure adds something when they sing as a group. But putting aside personal and subjective preferences aside, her vocal technique and talent as a totally objective, yet relative factor, is inferior to the others in the group. No doubt she is talented, and better than many contemporary pop vocalists. Just doesn't fit the standard Celtic woman vocalists have set in the past and recent times. She sounds like someone you'd call half-trained, but even though it's not true, it sounds like an un-warmed up voice. But mostly it's the lack of a proper vibrato that puts me off, on multiple listens, a very feeble vibrato pops in here and there, very inconsistent though. www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aXWu3JuPNQ This song from Anuna really brings out her unique tone amazingly, her voice shines. Surprisingly clear and crisp ornamented notes, but no resonating vibrato, which is foundation of good singing. Especially in a song like this. Makes her sound amateurish that way, don't get me wrong, if she wasn't in Celtic woman I wouldn't be so critical, even though she needs to develop a natural vibrato soon with the help of a vocal coach maybe...., but it's just that the rest of them have always been impeccable.
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Post by Simba on Dec 23, 2015 9:48:16 GMT
Yes I'm excited too! They'd released a music video for one of the new songs (not sure if it's in Destiny)
Great song, great vibes! Mairead Carlin, such an amazing talent! She's established her spot bold and clear now, I mean Lisa lambe, susan all of them, great talents among the relatively recent ones. Lisa lambe was infact more talented than some of the original lineup. To me she was one of the best, so I really miss her. She added a unique flavor to it, and Meav can never be replaced. Loved it the best when it was Meav, Susan and Lisa for 2013 Home for Christmas. And I'm becoming a new fan of Ms. Carlin. Unfortunately though I personally think Eabha has to be the not-so-great vocalist the group has ever had...Great vocal timbre and texture, but very inferior to the rest, technically, but this is just my opinion on everything she's done with the group that I know of so far. I'd love it if someone can surprise me with a particularly good performance from her. EDIT: Some of her performances with ANUNA that I listened to were also mediocre. I'm slightly upset because the group has always had particularly exceptional vocalists always...Oh well, will Lisa Lambe return?
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Post by Simba on Dec 21, 2015 19:59:21 GMT
Haha, I was exaggerating it too, I knew you were being sarcastic XD, I was just emphasizing what they meant to insult them further, lol.
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Post by Simba on Dec 20, 2015 22:30:46 GMT
Though I'm certain when they said whiny, they meant "annoyingly childlike or complaining, high pitched" . Sugary and whiny? Do they even go together? Crazy people. His vocals were the worst part in the album....
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Post by Simba on Dec 20, 2015 14:30:06 GMT
Yes ofcourse we all can agree on that Martin, the thing is not that I want her to update on twitter about her personal life this that no. When I say connect to the audience/fans I mean through her music, like that short casual video of her singing that Cranberries song, recorded in a phone perhaps? on Instagram? She should do more of that, perhaps sing a few lines of a couple of new songs or something, or even covers of other songs for fun, without any music, just acapella, all these things help. And I'm only saying this as she's not been having active concerts either, just so people know she's still there doing great stuff. Definitely Hayley's much more relaxed than some of the more popular singers, having concerts and tours every night, so this shouldn't be really difficult, doing the extra bit...Speaking of which, that instagram video is taken down is it ?
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Post by Simba on Dec 19, 2015 0:30:45 GMT
Worth the wait is undeniable. When I mean success I don't mean sales, I mean reach. Every musician would want their creation to be enjoyed by as many as possible. The knowledge that their music is helping people, making their lives even the tiniest bit better urges them to do the, the passion within isn't quiet. Music is not just a hobby for Hayley the way I see it nor is it her only means of livelihood, that's why I don't want to talk about money, nor about how she can enjoy her life and take her own time. She's making this album for a large audience, not just for herself or family or a close circle. So as much as we hope to hear the original stuff from Hayley that we all love, I want it to scale great heights, I mean this kind of talent should not be enjoyed by a minority, isn't that why we take so much pleasure in introducing our friends and family to Hayley and her music? So that's where I'm coming from and this joy of sharing should not be only an effort from our side, but also a lot of work personally by Hayley in 'reaching out' if you know what I mean. But forgive me it's just me wishing all the success in life and in achieving her dreams/goals as a musician.
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Post by Simba on Dec 18, 2015 14:00:44 GMT
yeh....I never questioned the coming of an album, but I've always wondered, we tend to blame Decca and stuff for poor marketing and stuff, but you know in this era of the internet, we a lot of singers taking it in their own hands really, twitter, facebook and all, posting regular videos to their fans, staying connected, keeping them in touch ALL the time. Hayley seems lazy(for lack of a better word) in doing that, but whatever the plan maybe for the huge suspense, she is no beyonce or adele to just disappear into the wilderness, and come out with a new album after 4 years, and boom worldwide hit. If it's making us diehard fans lose hope little by little, or doubt, then it's doing no good clearly. Now I don't know Hayley's intentions, I may have said whatever I just said, but if Hayley simply doesn't want her new album to blow up, and keep it low, then that's up to her. But it just doesn't seem right, I mean we hear 16 year old Hayley saying how singing is everything for her, and that she wants to do this for the rest of her life, when she's on stage she feels at home and stuff, that is sincere, right? And after years of hard work on this album (which I'm sure she's spending a lot of time and putting a lot of effort on) who wouldn't want it to reach out and be their best hit/breakthrough yet? Where's the fire? Hmmmm....As much as I want to hear about the new album more, I want it to do very well, EXTREMELY well, better than pure, because 4 years is a lot...and this cannot happen without Hayley's effort beyond writing songs and working in the studio. She needs to actively communicate, keep ALL fans in anticipation....that's the only way I see it working. What can we do? Only pray that things work out for the best.
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Post by Simba on Dec 18, 2015 12:17:54 GMT
Oh dear, there goes my bubble XD, Thanks Libby for the information, I was indeed expecting something from Franklin haha, now we know we're not gonna get anymore news on this....Probably have to wait for her next concert, which God only knows when, and hope she sings this song or more from the new album which will hopefully be recorded and then possibly uploaded on the internet and shared with us XD....Hayleee I want sample recordings T_T You know, high time she has her own youtube page, where she chumma takes videos from home and puts it up, some activity better than nothing....would build up the needed hype for the album, I hope she has a good plan for the next album, because all the wait and gap is doing no good for the lesser fans, only we are dying here...
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Post by Simba on Dec 17, 2015 22:09:35 GMT
Haha, I'm only glad people are indeed looking forward to it, for me it's a big thing, to hear any material from her new album, even if its a 30 sec album, but when we know a full LIVE performance of it is out there, it just makes it all the more exciting! I dont think it's about copyright, because Franklin have always been quick to upload all videos from all Taiwan performances! Infact one of the most covered concerts thanks to him. Oh well, if not a video, an audio recording is totally enough, XD or a description of the genre of song T_T what kind, was it slow, upbeat,? high notes, low notes D::: aaaaagh
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Post by Simba on Dec 17, 2015 11:57:17 GMT
So that's it? D: She sings a new song that she wrote herself after what? 6 years? And no video, no excitement! T_T, I keep checking this thread everyday to see if someone had recorded the performance, I'm crying right now. Frankiee, have you taken a video? Please let us know XD
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Post by Simba on Dec 14, 2015 20:45:09 GMT
Haha, I agree, but I gotto say, I still miss the "Aaaa aaaa aa" bit that she usually does in this....at the bridge, was eagerly waiting to hear it in this one, but oh well. That's one of the most beautiful vocalises ever...
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Post by Simba on Dec 14, 2015 19:45:21 GMT
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