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Post by Richard on Jul 27, 2016 6:22:45 GMT
Yes, it's really rather sad. I'll mention it on our Facebook page with a link to the HWI Forum.  Richard  |
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Post by martindn on Jul 27, 2016 11:35:01 GMT
I'm sure that's understandable Libby. Casual fans, which I'm sure are the majority, will just dip in from time to time to see if there is any news. When there isn't, those visits tend to become less and less frequent. Even I am guilty of that, I used to go there every day, but lately it is less often. It's a sad day for sure, and we seem to have lost the main Hayleyonline website too. All the more reason to try to keep HWI alive even when we have no news to report. I think Hayley actually helps us a bit, by posting her instagram photos from time to time.
Martin D
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Post by Libby on Jul 28, 2016 5:56:02 GMT
I think Hayley actually helps us a bit, by posting her instagram photos from time to time. Martin D Umm, she could be helping a lot more, to say the least.  It doesn't help that her last 2 instaGRAMS (sorry, for some reason I can't stand "insta") have not appeared on her twitter page. Hardly any of her posts appear on FB lately. The one before the Summer in the City one was the Sir George one! If she were on social media a lot more often, it wouldn't really matter, but since she's hardly ever on, failing to post on twitter and/or FB is not a positive thing. And what you say about only checking the forum occasionally for news is completely understandable. However, I posted quite frequently, so why couldn't people reply? I know you and comet did occasionally, but rarely. If we can discuss her pics here, why couldn't people discuss it there, as well, especially if they're different people? It's really no wonder the forum was taken down! I visit this forum everyday if possible, and I'm frequently the last one to have replied to every active topic, that it almost reminds me of the official forum.  Even if there's no Hayley tweet to discuss (I check twitter first), and I'm not even a mod. here. Of course, usually any news I posted there originated here. So that's always been one of the main reasons I visit everyday, but the main MAIN reason is simply because the Hayley world has always been a high priority of mine, so I can't help but check everything Hayley first thing when I go online. Well, I usually check my e-mail first, but that's not always interesting. LOL |
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Post by martindn on Jul 28, 2016 12:07:43 GMT
Yes, I agree, she could do a lot more. Many of the others artists I follow post something on Facebook every day, and many do on Twitter too. You can see that reflected (if you'll excuse the pun) on this forum in the Classical Reflection thread - HWI has more news about them than it does about Hayley (that's not a criticism BTW - I have met the girls and they are lovely and fine singers). There is something new most days. Ditto (on Facebook) Rebecca Newman, Scarlett Quigley, Siobhan Owen, Mary-Jess, Eden etc. etc.... These are people that actively cultivate their fanbase, some, like Rebecca even suggest things they is thinking of doing beforehand, and ask whether we think they are a good idea. Even things like how much we would be prepared to pay for concerts etc.
I suspect Hayley has her reasons for doing what she does (or doesn't) and I don't want to be too critical. But it would be nice to hear from her a bit more than we do.
Martin D
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Post by John H on Jul 28, 2016 12:25:12 GMT
All the names that Martin mentions are independent artists.
I wonder to what extent Hayley's communication is constrained by her record label.
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Post by martindn on Jul 28, 2016 12:33:45 GMT
Yes, you are right John. But I suppose it might be more that independent artists know that it is up to them to generate their own publicity, whereas those with record labels and management companies might think that they are paying for others to do it for them, so they can do less themselves. Except in Hayley's case it doesn't seem to work like that.
Sorry mods, this is drifting off topic.
Martin D
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Post by Richard on Jul 29, 2016 6:37:08 GMT
While we're off-topic, I must add that most of the independent artists Martin D mentioned know each other and often perform together. They also follow each other on social media and probably find a lot of work that way. Social media is a very powerful tool in the 21st century!  Richard |
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Post by Libby on Jul 29, 2016 7:19:29 GMT
All the names that Martin mentions are independent artists. I wonder to what extent Hayley's communication is constrained by her record label. That can't possibly be an issue, when you consider that she used to tweet a lot more frequently, as recently as early last year. |
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Post by Libby on Jul 29, 2016 7:24:34 GMT
While we're off-topic, I must add that most of the independent artists Martin D mentioned know each other and often perform together. They also follow each other on social media and probably find a lot of work that way. Social media is a very powerful tool in the 21st century! Richard Ha! Someone should tell Hayley that, except I'm not sure that she cares.  |
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Post by martindn on Jul 29, 2016 10:57:15 GMT
While we're off-topic, I must add that most of the independent artists Martin D mentioned know each other and often perform together. They also follow each other on social media and probably find a lot of work that way. Social media is a very powerful tool in the 21st century! Richard Indeed, it's a tool that Hayley (or her "people") would do well to make more use of. But the whole ethos of the way those artists run their careers is something others could learn from. It is true one of them did record an album with Decca, but the rest have done it all on their own. Yet they choose to co-operate rather than compete, and that is a joy to see. I think a lot of this is driven by Rebecca, who is clearly an innovative businesswoman as well as a fine singer. Remember she succeeded in getting her album to No. 1 in the classical charts by her own efforts, competing with the might of the record companies, that's some achievement. It shows it can be done (a bit like Leicester City Football Club winning the Premier League). Performing together can help fans of one artist to discover others that they may like. Not all singers have the business acumen to succeed as independents it is true. So if they don't have the support of a record label, the support of other artists can replace it as we have seen. I have had the pleasure of hearing all of the artists I mentioned live, and of meeting them all. Martin D |
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Post by Libby on Jul 29, 2016 23:58:40 GMT
Yes, but those artists are mainly restricted to the UK, are they not? Hayley, while her biggest markets are in the UK, Asia, and New Zealand, she has far more potential to make appearances in the US (well, she has before, and might sometime again, if she ever gets things going) and even Europe, while those other artists you mention do not. That's because very few fans outside the UK know who they are. I would guess any US fans they have are also Hayley fans! I would never have heard of them (or even Katherine Jenkins, Mario, or Jonathan Ansell, for that matter) if not for Hayley. Oh wait, KJ was on DWTS, but I rarely watch that. Pete from the old forum mentioned Rebecca Newman when we were discussing our favorite artists in Madison. He's from Oklahoma. So there's a prime example of a US fan who's also a Hayley fan!
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Post by martindn on Jul 30, 2016 11:31:31 GMT
Yes, you are right, most of those artists are little known outside the UK, although Mary-Jess is well known in China, as she won a TV talent contest (equivalent to our X-Factor) over there whilst studying Chinese, and I think is over in the far east touring and representing Britain at present. Siobhan actually lives in Australia, although she spends a lot of time in Europe and is currently doing concerts in France and Germany. The USA though is a big ask, and the fact that even someone with as much backing as KJ came unstuck there I'm sure must deter the others.
I suspect even Hayley is not very well known in the USA.
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Post by Libby on Jul 31, 2016 0:46:44 GMT
Yes, you are right, most of those artists are little known outside the UK, although Mary-Jess is well known in China, as she won a TV talent contest (equivalent to our X-Factor) over there whilst studying Chinese, and I think is over in the far east touring and representing Britain at present. Siobhan actually lives in Australia, although she spends a lot of time in Europe and is currently doing concerts in France and Germany. The USA though is a big ask, and the fact that even someone with as much backing as KJ came unstuck there I'm sure must deter the others. I suspect even Hayley is not very well known in the USA. Martin D Oh, Martin, I don't know where you've been all these years. That's hardly even worth addressing. But I will anyway, a bit (I can't help it). If not for CW, then yes, I would say her fandom in the US would be very tiny. But the fact that she did tour with them has clearly helped. I would say a very large percentage of US fans I've encountered over the years have discovered her from CW. During my twitter searches, I probably see at least one US fan mention her music several times a week, and it's rarely the same person! Yes, I see more from Asia than anything else. In fact, I probably see posts from Latin/South America more than the US, which shows she could easily have a concert in Mexico or Brazil (Brazil is the most common country I see). And we never see one of them on the forums. I've even recently been seeing people from Africa tweet about her, usually about her World in Union song. And I don't even mean South Africa. I'm talking Rwanda or Uganda. I've seen a guy from Ghana who describes himself as a classical singer tweet about her. Of course, that doesn't mean she could tour in Africa (a one-time concert in South Africa might not be far-fetched), of course, but I'm just saying she's known throughout the world. |
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It doesn't help that her last 2 instaGRAMS (sorry, for some reason I can't stand "insta") have not appeared on her twitter page. Hardly any of her posts appear on FB lately. The one before the Summer in the City one was the Sir George one! If she were on social media a lot more often, it wouldn't really matter, but since she's hardly ever on, failing to post on twitter and/or FB is not a positive thing.
Even if there's no Hayley tweet to discuss (I check twitter first), and I'm not even a mod. here. Of course, usually any news I posted there originated here. So that's always been one of the main reasons I visit everyday, but the main MAIN reason is simply because the Hayley world has always been a high priority of mine, so I can't help but check everything Hayley first thing when I go online. Well, I usually check my e-mail first, but that's not always interesting. LOL
