It's good to know that Celtic Woman still contributes a little to promote Hayley's work. I've just bought this album and I really love Lynn's voice on every one of them. I would be very curious to hear a duet of Lynn with Hayley. I also like Lisa's new solo, but it doesn't beat the wonderful "Caledonia" or "The Voice" from the previous album.
Actually, Hayley has been edited out of all the songs she was part of, according to CW Forum.com
Is that supposed to be an improvement? And did Hayley's departure leave such a bad taste? I'm starting to think that Hayley left at the right time, much as I love that album and DVD.
But why would Hayley's departure leave a bad taste? Surely she was never going to stay and they all new that. I think is is said somewhere on this forum that it was a "one off deal". I can't find the post again, but I think it was here or on the Offical HW forum perhaps. I have heard that Hayley's involment was because she was a big name in the UK and would help them there and her managment hoped it would get Hayley better known in the US. I thought it was known that it would never go beyond the US tour. These are top professionals, I don't hink "payback time" is involved.
To be honest, we don't know exactly what happened. You are right in saying that Hayley's association with CW was only ever going to be for a short time but it was originally expected to be a little longer than it turned out to be. It was definitely going to include a European tour but, for whatever reason, that never took place. I am not aware of any "bad taste" but it doesn't surprise me that some fans (of Hayley's or of CW) may think there could be some.
Our local PBS channel is using some of Hayley's appearances with CW to promote an upcoming U S tour they are making. I was wondering if they have to get Hayley's permission and pay her. Or do you suppose they own the rights to the clips they are showing? In the U S it's rare to use a performer in a promotion without paying residuals.
I think that would depend on the contract that Hayley had with CW at the time which, as you might expect, is not something we know about. If I had to guess, it would be that they probably have the rights to use any existing footage from the previous tour. What puzzles me is that they have chosen to use footage of Hayley to promote a tour of which she is clearly not going to be a part.
I e-mailed our PBS station earlier this year and asked them to feature Hayley on one of their specials. They replied that they only use artists that have an upcoming event locally. They then sell seats at an inflated price. Perhaps I'm being a bit critical of them; but as a PBS supporter I think they should provide programming that their contributors want to see. Also they receive funds through the National Foundation of the Arts which is taxpayer supported. Using Hayley to promote other artists seems a bit disingenuous to me. I'm sure they have clips of Lynn and Alex, the actual performers , to air as promotional previews.
My local PBS station will air a new Celtic Woman special, which they describe as
Highlights from Celtic Woman's PBS specials, including "Mo Ghile Mear," "Someday," "Newgrange," "The Butterfly," "Orinoco Flow," "Walking in the Air," "Little Drummer Boy," "The Voice," "Danny Boy," "Sing Out," "The Sky and the Dawn and the Sun."
It's true that local stations will only air performances of artists coming to perform in the area. This is so they can put an embargo on the tickets. Which is OK if you want to pay $200 a ticket.
Our local PBS station is doing the same thing. Also, they're using Hayley in a promotional clip, and of course she won't be here. It's bad enough they're charging exorbitant prices; but it's worse to feature artists who aren't in the production. I'm considering dropping my support to Public Television.
Actually, this is a huge compliment to Hayley. They have recognised the quality of her singing, and are using her in preference to the current lineup of the band because of it. It looks as if they regard her as irreplaceable (which of course she is). Yes, you are right about it being a con, and Hayley won't be there, but perhaps the are recognising what an outstanding performer Hayley is.
I don't think it's a con, or trying to fool people into thinking that Hayley is going to be there. The fact is that Hayley WAS part of the group and she is featured on their last, very successful, DVD, and sings with the girls on most of their songs, so why should CW be confined to only show clips without Hayley? That would be limiting some of their best numbers, and I disagree that there has to be footage of Alex and Lynn available, their probably will be after the next DVD but for now, it makes sense for them to use clips of their current DVD to promote themselves.
I love the performances of Hayley with CW, and if at some point in the next few years they ever work together again I will be happy!
My PBS station just played Celtic Woman last night, too. They did show Hayley for MGM (I never remember how to spell it) and the Sky and the Dawn and the Sun. It was awfully late, so I didn't watch the whole thing. It's too bad if they edited Hayley out in the Greatest Journey DVD itself. The editing in Orinoco Flow was ridiculous, constantly switching scenes from the song from both DVDs. One second Orla's hair was short and she was wearing blue, then the next, her hair was longer, and she was wearing white. To me, the DVD isn't worth getting, since I already have the songs on their other DVDs, especially if they did edit out Hayley's parts. I didn't care for the Christmas songs they showed. Drummer Boy was okay, but their soft voices don't really do it justice. The other 2 I heard were boring. Chloe looked gorgeous, though! The pink dress was a huge improvement on that brown one with the blue bow, and her hair was beautiful.
PBS shows good musical performances, but it's annoying to have to endure their fundraising stuff after every few songs. So, if I like the show, I'll buy the DVD without the interruptions. I have no interest in donating to them, either. And if I want concert tickets, I'll buy them on my own.
I never used the word con. I said it was disingenuous. My objection is that they are not showing people the product that they are purchasing. My other objection is that they are able to buy up all the good seats leaving true fans left with the lesser seats. Also given the group discount they receive, I think their prices are exorbitant. Members and supporters of PBS get no discounts from this high ticket price. I must also mention that PBS receives support from the U S Government which is our tax money.