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Post by anshita on Jun 28, 2010 16:21:35 GMT
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Post by Libby on Jun 29, 2010 5:18:53 GMT
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Post by milewalker on Jul 22, 2010 1:44:57 GMT
The record stores in my area (St Louis Mo) might actually tend to have more Hayley records available than many places. Best Buy, for example usually has one or two in stock - and they do reorder then within a week or so when they sell.
Barnes and Noble almost always has at least the three international releases available, along with the occasional odd release when it first comes out. I bought Music of the Spheres there for example.
I was disappointed last Christmas however to find no copies of Winter Magic in any store I went to - I eventually downloaded it
Jon
Late edit: I am surprised I can still do this.....I see that I never actually answered Steve's question. Barnes and Noble has Hayley under "pop standards" - and while most record stores dont have that classification, it seems to work better than most, in my opinion. It all comes back to whatever "classical crossover" is.
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Post by Libby on Jul 22, 2010 2:32:00 GMT
The Borders' website said they had some at my closest location, but I'd already ordered it through Barnes & Noble by then. I did pick it up in the store, though. The B & N in my area doesn't have much music, just top 40 or whatever it is. They said the one in downtown Seattle has more music, but that's way out of my way. I'm going to try Border's for the U.S. release of her next album.
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Post by failedreaper on Jul 23, 2010 5:52:05 GMT
to be honest...i always thought of hayley as a classical/easy listening style of music...but i never heard of classical crossover(?)...what exactly is that...oh...and there is no way in heck i'd put her in pop...too many freaks in that style i think lol  |
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Post by mihizawi on Jul 23, 2010 8:32:40 GMT
We have a Classical Crossover expert here, so, she may like to answer you. But, there has been at least one big discussion on that thing on this forum, right Nicola?
Michal
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Post by joanne on Jul 23, 2010 10:49:26 GMT
Well, I'm quite sick of walking into music stores and having to search the entire store just to find out that they only hold one or two Hayley CDs (A nice thought is that maybe the rest were sold out! ). No one music store I have walked into, has put her music in the same genre as another store. For some she's under Easy Listening, others, under Classical, others still, World Music or even Pop. So I'd definitely give Hayley her own section in the store. Maybe not a huge section, because I don't think that's really what the market is looking for, but a very visible, eye-catching section for sure  Having said that, I realise that physical CD sales have dropped like crazy, so maybe I'd branch into other things too. Like her biography/autobiography and posters. Maybe even Pure pens if I'd gotten permission from the Hayleystore. Haha I'd make it a one-stop paradise (sort of) for Hayley fans, so they won't have to run around from music stores to book stores to online stores like I did. I'd also make sure to stock this kind of stuff for the more 'popular' bands/artists though. I mean, something needs to get non-Hayley fans into my store too, right? cheers, Joanne P.S. I liked answering this question, Steve! Haha now that I've discovered Green and Black's chocolate, I think I'd sell some in my record store too! Haha can't hurt to have other things to attract people in cheers, Joanne |
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Post by milewalker on Jul 27, 2010 1:37:18 GMT
to be honest...i always thought of hayley as a classical/easy listening style of music...but i never heard of classical crossover(?)...what exactly is that...oh...and there is no way in heck i'd put her in pop...too many freaks in that style i think lol I see no one answered your question - but the truth is that you came to answering it yourself. Crossover music is "simply", music which bridges two unique musical genres. A bridge between classical music and easy listening music is probably a fairly solid working definition of classical crossover. Jon |
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Post by Libby on Jul 27, 2010 5:45:05 GMT
What about David Garrett's mixture of classical and rock? Is he not crossover because rock isn't really easy listening? Although classic rock is played on easy listening station sometimes, but not alternative.
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Post by martindn on Jul 27, 2010 21:34:38 GMT
The names and boundaries of musical genres are endlessly confusing. Back in the 70s, there was something called "Progressive Rock" which was actually and usually a fusion of classical and rock. It featured bands like Yes, who composed and performed several so-called Rock Symphonies, Renaissance, Genesis (early) and Moody Blues. Then some of others including Pink Floyd (who were really jazz/rock) started to call themselves "Prog Rock" and things got confused. Led Zeppelin too, were called "Prog Rock" although in reality they are Blues/Rock.
"Prog Rock" was characterised by highly skilled musicians, unusual time signatures and lengthy songs that typically went on for around 20 minutes, the length of the side of an LP.
I have joked with Nicola that these might be included in "Classical Crossover", although it is diffucult to imagine anything more different to the likes of Katherine, Faryl etc (I won't say Hayley because she sings other music, no way is "Jolene" Classical Crossover by any stretch).
And that is the crunch. Many great artists, including Hayley, refuse to be bound by the limits of any musical genre. So although we seem to love this sort of classification, and trying to define the bounderies of the various genres can give endless hours of amusement, in the end it is pretty futile.
Unfortunately, the people who run muic stations, record stores etc seem to fall for it. To me it is all a bit arrogant, trying to tell me what music I am supposed to like. The truth is it is no guide. If i say I like Hayley, Katherine, Faryl Camilla, Jonathan, Mario, Luciano, Jose, Rhydian etc, that doesn't mean I like every artist who might be called classical crossover. And it doesn't mean I don't like those who are called something else.
In the end, I find that there are just two categories. Music I like and music I don't like. And remember, the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. I can find both in any genre you care to name. So I have to ask what purpose these genres acually serve, except perhaps to hide from some people music that they might enjoy.
Martin D
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Post by mihizawi on Jul 28, 2010 21:40:59 GMT
to be honest...i always thought of hayley as a classical/easy listening style of music...but i never heard of classical crossover(?)...what exactly is that...oh...and there is no way in heck i'd put her in pop...too many freaks in that style i think lol I see no one answered your question - but the truth is that you came to answering it yourself. Crossover music is "simply", music which bridges two unique musical genres. A bridge between classical music and easy listening music is probably a fairly solid working definition of classical crossover. Jon I was hoping Nicola to answer you, as I thought her involvement with bringing to general knowledge the term of Classical Crossover would make her the most indicated person... But here you go: hwi.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Othermusic&action=display&thread=5293&page=8 The discussion I started on this page of the thread was very intense and you will find many points of view there and I personally find it very, very interesting. Michal |
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Post by talialoveshayley on Aug 1, 2010 22:52:08 GMT
I voted for Easy listening, then I noticed that she can get her own section. I wish I had voted for that now  |
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Post by milewalker on Sept 5, 2010 5:53:45 GMT
So I have to ask what purpose these genres acually serve, except perhaps to hide from some people music that they might enjoy. Martin D It is simply not possible for everyone to listen to a sample of every new artist and make a determination of like or not like in the way you are suggesting. Practically speaking then, if I ran a record store how could I market a new artist without saying that he or she was like someone/something else? That is what music niches are supposed to do. Like all human endeavors, it is an imperfect system. However, the fact that an occasional artist like Hayley comes along who is hard to classify hardly makes the concept itself useless.. When my local Barnes and Noble puts Hayley in their "pop standards" section, they are telling me that in their opinion Hayley is more like Barbra Streisand than she is Britney Spears. We can quibble about whether or not that is the right niche, but the statement is nonetheless accurate, and therefore passes useful information, particularly if I knew nothing else about her Jon |
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Post by Libby on Sept 5, 2010 19:57:49 GMT
Well, she's definitely not anything like Britney Spears! If I happen to find Hayley's new album at Borders' (which claimed to have Winter Magic in store), I'll definitely be interested to see which section it's in. |
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Post by martindn on Sept 5, 2010 21:38:59 GMT
Well, it depends what you use these classifications for. I you run a record store, and want to help people to find the music that they might like, perhaps there is some purpose. If you run a radio station that only plays music within a given classification, it is a bad thing that can result in some really excellent artists never getting played at all.
In Hayley's case, in the UK, her more classical tracks occasionally get played on Classic FM, usually when she has something in the charts. Radio 2, apart from the odd live performance, has never touched her, even though some of her output is eminently suitable and aligns well with that stations easy lisrening/ middle of the road pop output (it used to be called the Light Programme).
Most of her music had never been played on radio. Her UK albums releases are tailored so that they can be included in the classical charts. Yet despite this lack of publicity, she has sold nearly as many records as say Cheryl Cole, who is on our TV screens every week at prime time on Saturday evenings. And Cheryls sales are mainly singles, whilst Hayleys are albums.
Something is wrong somewhere, and I think it is these artificial divisions within music that are the main culprit.
The trouble is, those who run the media seem to think they are important. In reality, for any listener there are only two kinds of music. Music you like and music you don't. And for me, genre is no guide at all to which category a particular artist or piece of music might fall.
Martin D
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