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Post by milewalker on Mar 11, 2010 3:19:10 GMT
Hi Steve, Obviously my hibernation also extended to not fully reading your opening post Of course, I wasnt really posting at the time - I was merely acting as though I was..... Jon
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Post by Sandy Wilderness Girl on Mar 11, 2010 3:47:58 GMT
Hey cant see what the issue is hey……when im playing my Hayley music in the shower hey…I mime to it all the time hey… . .Well its not much point me trying to sing along hey ..... Hey i voted...... Sandy xxx
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Post by Libby on Mar 11, 2010 4:40:11 GMT
I saw Hayley in the parade, but I didn't know the difference whether she was "miming" or not. I can't remember which song she sang, because I wasn't quite as familiar with her music as I am now (my dad was a fan before I was).
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Post by comet on Mar 11, 2010 17:45:06 GMT
I saw Hayley in the parade, but I didn't know the difference whether she was "miming" or not. I can't remember which song she sang, because I wasn't quite as familiar with her music as I am now (my dad was a fan before I was). now that is interesting, does he still follow her career ?, do you keep him up to date ? does he get to hear the items you get to hear ? does he have a Hayley sticker on his car ?
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Post by Joe on Mar 12, 2010 1:57:48 GMT
Hello Steve, I have voted for option 2. Miming isn't a perfect art...unless you're Marcel Marceau Joe
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Post by Juliette on Mar 12, 2010 19:01:04 GMT
I voted option 2. That question is quite a real debate. In Hayley case, there are two things to note: first, Hayley's studio voice and Hayley's live voice are so different that you can really notice when she's live and when she's not. Indeed, her studio voice is really clear and pure whereas her live voice is deeper and rounder. Just for those who would think it's a criticism, don't misunderstand me, it's not. It's clear that Hayley has "two" voices but I love both of them. And it's one thing that I really admire with Hayley: whether she can be better live than in studio, whether live performance gives you something else to discover than studio recording. The second point is that Hayley is so bad miming that you can also notice without difficulties that she is! I remember the video of Ave Maria in Songs of Praise: nobody could think she was live on that one! But that's not a criticism either: the big majority of Hayley's performance are live, as a result she's not good at lip-synching. That point leads me to consider other artists. Lip-synching can be the only solution in some case: special performances, in a music video or in a concert when the artist wants to dance. We can't compare Hayley's concerts to, for example, Shakira's concerts: the physical effort that gives Hayley can't be compared to the physical effort that gives Britney Spears or Shakira or others like them. The expectation of Shakira's fans and other artists like her are not the same than the ones of Hayley's fans: when you go to a pop artist concert, you want fire, dance, spectacular etc, you want to find back what they give you in their music video. So, as the artists are human, you have to accept that they can't hold 2 hours singing live and dancing, running all around the stage. If you can't deal with it, don't be a fan of those artists anymore. I mean, if I go to such concerts, I wouldn't mind to see the artist lip-synching if there's a big show behind. Hayley, on the contrary, is a classical artist which means not a lot of movements on stage and also the expectation to see her sing live. If I go to a classical singer (not strictly classical music but like Hayley's genre I mean), and the artist is lip-synching, I'll be disgusted. So all depends on what artist you like and what you expect of a concert or of the artist. Then the big problem is the ability of the singer to lip-synch. It's what bother me the most. Because seeing a singer lip-synching when they're not good at it, it's just awful!! I listen a lot to trance music, a genre of electronic music, and the conditions of a party require of course the artist to mime. But most of them don't know how to do it, so that's terrible looking at them performing!! On the contrary an artist like Céline Dion is really good in lip-synching, the only way to notice she's in play-back (we use that expression in french when for example in a television program, the artist is not singing live but has the studio version in background and is lip-synching on it, but does the expression exist in english? ) is first to know the studio version of the song. So, while the artist is good in miming and while miming is a compromise to be able to give something else to the fans during a concert, I accept it. Btw, are the Celtic Woman lip-synching during their live performances? I read somewhere someone saying that they were but I can't guess on the videos if they are...
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Post by Juliette on Mar 12, 2010 19:03:36 GMT
I could have voted option 1 too. A bit of hesitation on my choice....
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Post by Elliot Kane on Mar 13, 2010 21:43:49 GMT
Lazy and unprofessional, IMO. As a long time fan of Rock, my thinking may well be coloured by the fact that any Rock singer or group caught miming would experience immediate career death, but still...
If a performance is supposed to be live, it should BE live, with no excuses allowed or accepted.
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Post by martindn on Mar 13, 2010 21:54:21 GMT
Well guys, I can remember the 1960s, a special time for pop music in the UK. And in those days, we all knew that certain artists used to mime because their live performances were not up to scratch. So for an artist like Hayley to mime is a travesty. She is so brilliant as a live performer that she just never needs to do it. She can just stand up and sing, and it will blow you away. Expecting her to mime is an insult! So when she does, it should be regarded as a failure of the organisers of the particular event, who are not prepared to let Hayley do what she does best. We shouldn't criticise Hayley for her lack of miming skills, she is a singer, a real singer, who if she is allowed to sing, is the best there is. So why don't they just do that. If there are no backing musicians available, let her sing a capella. Her unaccompanied performances are some of her most memorable.
Martin D
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Post by graemek on Mar 14, 2010 3:05:45 GMT
Well guys, I can remember the 1960s, a special time for pop music in the UK. And in those days, we all knew that certain artists used to mime because their live performances were not up to scratch. So for an artist like Hayley to mime is a travesty. She is so brilliant as a live performer that she just never needs to do it. She can just stand up and sing, and it will blow you away. Expecting her to mime is an insult! So when she does, it should be regarded as a failure of the organisers of the particular event, who are not prepared to let Hayley do what she does best. We shouldn't criticise Hayley for her lack of miming skills, she is a singer, a real singer, who if she is allowed to sing, is the best there is. So why don't they just do that. If there are no backing musicians available, let her sing a capella. Her unaccompanied performances are some of her most memorable. Martin D Yes indeed Martin D...in a nutshell !! graeme
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Post by Libby on Mar 14, 2010 22:46:28 GMT
I saw Hayley in the parade, but I didn't know the difference whether she was "miming" or not. I can't remember which song she sang, because I wasn't quite as familiar with her music as I am now (my dad was a fan before I was). now that is interesting, does he still follow her career ?, do you keep him up to date ? does he get to hear the items you get to hear ? does he have a Hayley sticker on his car ? No, he doesn't still follow her career much anymore, and no sticker on his car. He's not the bumper sticker type; he always talks about how it looks bad if you ever try to pull them off. He still enjoys her singing, and has heard many of her songs, but he doesn't start playing any of her CDs on his own, or even request to hear her. He doesn't really have time to sit down and relax, though, that's part of the problem. But he thinks I'm obsessed; he's accused me of "stalking" her! I will elaborate more in the appropriate thread, so I won't go too far off-topic here. Okay, you can read about mine and my dad's discoveries of Hayley here: hwi.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=Miscellaneous&thread=2166&page=5#113921
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Post by anshita on Jul 1, 2010 6:31:25 GMT
I voted for number 2: Yes, but only if the situation fully requires it.
I have seen singers lip-sync in some of their live performances, but it's mostly only acceptable if the singer really needs it. Maybe if she's too overhelmed with the amount of live performances she needs to do, miming once in a while seems alright.
But of course, it's much more appreciable when the singer performs live.
- Anshita
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