Post by stevemacdonald on May 19, 2009 19:29:49 GMT
Does anyone in here use the hot social networking thing known as Twitter? If not, you may be behind the times. I'm sure you've all read about Blake and Twitter, and it seems certain that Hayley and her team use Twitter all the time.
So... how about it, HWI? Wanna get with the times and establish a Twitter presence? Who knows how powerful a communication tool it could turn out to be?
I've not heard that Hayley uses twitter, have you heard something?
Not exactly, Dean. The only thing I've heard is that everyone who's anyone is latching on to Twitter, much the same way they would have an account with MySpace or Facebook. It has become most relevant, and almost overnight at that! My guess is that Bedlam are ahead of the curve on most matters, so it's a no-brainer they've harnessed the immense practicality of Twitter the way so many other artists are currently (and creatively) doing. Still not convinced? Just remember how quickly everyone who was anyone got a website up and running in the early days of the net. It's about the same.
Tell ya what, Steve, you run it and we'll link to it!
It's not quite that simple, Roger. Twitter is a vast, vast world, and Hayley is discussed in there by many. Sign up and do a Hayley search and be amazed. Bet you didn't know a link like this even existed, but there are countless others in the same vein.
My best advice for anyone wishing to explore this brave new world is to set up an account with Twitter and get a feel for its dimensions. There are probably more active Hayley fans on Twitter than you would ever imagine.
It is because it is so vast that I haven't got time to set up an account and explore its dimensions. Well, I might if I close down HWI, I suppose!
What I do see when I click on your link is this:
The member "is using twt.fm to share music on Twitter". Yes, illegally. It is because these networking sites are not properly policed that I will have nothing to do with any of them.
Of course, a few years ago, Myspace was all the rage. Then Facebook took over. Now it is Twitter. Like it's predecessors, it will fade when something else comes along. That risks fragmenting discussion, the fanbases, and an on-going comprehensive archive of Hayley's career that HWI strives to be. None of that will ever exist if we are dependent upon these five-minute wonder networking sites. Meanwhile, yes they will help to spread her name but the billions of illegal files could, ultimately, destroy her career. So, until it is properly maintained, I think I will stick to this forum after all!
Post by stevemacdonald on May 20, 2009 19:01:14 GMT
My sense of it is that Hayley can only benefit from the expanded exposure Twitter will give her. Most artists make the bulk of their income from touring, so even if someone links a song or two, it's all good if it stimulates interest -- which it clearly does. One persistent rumour about Hayley is that she sounds even more terrific in concert than on recordings. If only more people knew this.... and perhaps they will.
The reason so many artists are adopting Twitter as a resource is that it is the new kid on the block. The buzz is beyond containing. It's hot and it works.
There really ought to be more ways to drive ticket sales to Hayley's shows. I think the emergence of a network like Twitter is the best thing so far to help spread the word. For all the good HWI does it's just one piece of the puzzle.
I am the first to admit that HWI is only one part of a much greater puzzle. I also accept that Twitter and other networking sites could significantly enhance the careers of all singer. What I don't accept is that complete songs which are suject to copyright must be used in order to achieve that.
You refer to linking to "a song or two" but, if Twitter is as vast as you say (and I'm not doubting that), then it is highly likely that every song that Hayley has ever recorded is on there somewhere. If not, they will be in time. The day will surely come when nobody will waste money on CDs when they can obtain everything on Twitter free of charge. No wonder it is so popular!
HThe day will surely come when nobody will waste money on CDs when they can obtain everything on Twitter free of charge. No wonder it is so popular! Roger
Yes indeed Roger, and that's exactly what I have just done... I already have it on CD so it was purely to see how easy that is (very easy!) and to check the quality. The artistic quality is truly excellent but the technical audio quality is awful and therein lies another problem - as with many Youtube contributions, some of which do a singer with a high quality voice no favours at all..
I think twitter should stick to what it was intended for - sending messages of 140 characters or less but I too won't be doing any, anytime soon. Sorry Steve!
I'll will add my twopence worth here, I still want my music with an official insert from the record company, I don't want it or expect it for nothing, I am prepared to and have waited to get certain songs on official CD releases for up to 30 years, I still pay for the CD even though I have had the LP, 7" single , cassette or the 8 track version beforehand.
I would have liked if the record companies had issued a stamp system for newer formats, like a stamp for the LP or casette saying New Format Issued at a discount (ie The CD). But allowing you to keep the old LP ( For Nostalgic reasons) with the stamp on it to prevent the discount being acquired a second time by another user.
I consider downloads and digital copies as not being the real thing, I have no intention of printing out my own sleeve notes or burning my own discs.
Post by Dean McCarten on May 20, 2009 21:21:48 GMT
Well I use twitter but I don't agree with sharing music and other similar illegal abilities that some web based systems provide (knowingly or unknowingly).
I understand that digital media from a Copyright & Intellectual Property point of view is difficult to manage and more importantly to Police. I know that HWI has made it's rules clear in order to maintain good moral & legal standing regarding Hayley & other artists work, but others do not and this is were we (as in all HWI members) need to take care.
Of course it is very easy to go onto a computer and use it to access (and/or download) copyrighted material but just because we can doesn't mean we should.
I know that everyone here has or will purchased one or more of Hayley's Work in some form of media (CD, DVD, iTunes/MP3 Downloads etc) so I know that any media provided here will not have deprived Hayley of income as a result (unlike other sites & places on the internet)