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Post by sharon on Aug 5, 2010 20:25:48 GMT
Yes I know it leaked, cause I had an email from the Taylor Swift group I am a member of and they had send me the complete song to listen. I thought I was listening to a sample of 30 seconds, but it was the complete song! It wasnt a bad song...but same subject as usual.
So you were right Elliot, her whole new Album will probably be still all about boys, girls and high school experiences.
Though she has improved a lot vocally!
Sharon*
P.S: Not the right topic, though I just saw the video's of Miley from the House of Blues...I have to admit she's better! That song 'Can't Be Tamed' is a quick song and she was vocally very strong, even with so much physical work on stage! Also the other song - Every Rose has its Thorn is very well sung!
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 5, 2010 22:29:48 GMT
Sharon,
Miley is a natural born Rock Chick. I'm sure of it. Her House Of Blues concert is what I've been listening to for half the week, honestly, and that rather firmly makes the point. Supposedly, Rock is what she really wants to do, but Disney were stubborn on the matter. They don't seem to like real Rock music, sadly. Still she's out of contract with them now, so we shall see...
As for Taylor - yeah, it looks like more of the same. Mine could have been a song on Fearless, and that does disappoint me a little. After the major step she took in refining her sound between the first and second albums, I was hoping for more of an evolution. Still, this IS only the first single, so time will tell. First single is usually the most radio-friendly one. I gather she's solo written every single song on this album, too, which is something, at least.
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Post by talialoveshayley on Aug 5, 2010 23:11:21 GMT
I used to be a really big fan, but lately I haven't been enjoying her as much as I used to.
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Post by sharon on Aug 6, 2010 10:06:41 GMT
Honestly I'm not a rock fan, though some appeal to me, only if not this extreme hard rock. I find it more comforting if I can relate to songs and feel at peace after listening to them. With Hayleys music I found that kind of 'peace'. Though Taylors music is more a memory of the past, as most of her songs are 'high school' subject. Though not everything is something I can relate to. I still enjoy 'Love Story' the most. As you said in the other thread - that song is timeless. It's the first song I heard from her, when she wasn't that well known here in NL and even though it is played sooo much, I still love it. I'm curious for her CD, but I'm afraid it might be little disappointing, I hope not though! Though lately I am also a lot more curious about Hayleys new CD. I'm starting to collect some, so...who knows... i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifMiley might have a rock voice, though I prefer her slow ballad songs. And again, the Climb has been played too much, it does have a good message, and I like that. 'Party in the USA' has these nice beats. But I can not consider myself a fan of hers. But she is doing a lot better though! Sharon*
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 6, 2010 11:57:36 GMT
I'm kinda bracing for the new Taylor album, honestly. The third and fourth albums are always the really important ones for any artist, as they seem to set the tone for the next twenty years or so. Many artists have started with a disappointing first two albums and suddenly turned brilliant as something finally clicked for them, but the reverse is very much true, too. Taylor's first two albums were both great. Can she now step it up for the third, or will she fall into a rut? Worse, will her amazing song writing talent suddenly desert her? Mine is lyrically more complex than most of her earlier songs, which is a good sign. "You made a rebel of a careless man's careful daughter" is not the average Pop lyric! But in terms of the music, it's just another Taylor song. I was hoping for more White Horse style mood making in her music... Though I guess the first single on its own can't really tell us all that much. Still... Anticipation mixed with dread... *** As for Miley, I consider her the best current exponent of the Pop ballad. She doesn't do many, but the ones she does do are amazing. Not getting her latest album because of the unbelievable use of auto-tune, which I consider a crime against music (And, indeed, a crime against Miley. She doesn't need it!). Normally, though, I'm definitely a fan and this'll be her first album I don't own. As with every other artist I follow, I am neither blind not uncritical as a fan. *** Music does many things for me. If I want to be blissed out, I'll put Hayley on, but of the many groups and singers I listen to, she's the only one I really use for that purpose. Rock helps me concentrate, believe it or not.
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Post by sharon on Aug 6, 2010 12:49:42 GMT
That line is indeed pretty....different. Not something I'd come up with. She has the writing skills, but she has usually a lot to tell about boys. For example - The songs of Kellie Pickler, the main subject is 'Keeping your head up high after being betrayed somehow and then getting back at them.' I mean, you must've seen her videos of 'Red High Heels' & 'The Best Days of Your Life.' It all comes from experiences in pasts. And I found out Kellie's mother has abandoned her as a child. It all comes back in their songs, though the starring role in the video(s) is a man. Same with Taylor and her High school experiences. I hope you're able follow what I mean, I'm not always good in explaining stuff in English. I can't always find the right words. I actually just watched an episode of Grey's Anatomy when hearing 'White Horse' That must've been a pretty special moment for her! Though lately I don't listen much to Taylor, just the one song on occasion. Lately I'm just more in a Hayley mood. But I hope for Taylor she keeps her dignity, cause she was also very determined (at age 11!) to convince record labels of her talent, and somehow that worked, so who knows what happens next. I'm starting to ramble on now....should stop that! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifSharon* P.S: What do you mean with the auto-tune? Is that perhaps the high 'Chipmunk' voice she has in the 'Can't Be Tamed' video?
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 6, 2010 14:08:03 GMT
Sharon, I honestly forget most of the time you aren't a native English speaker. I have never had a problem understanding what you are saying I know what you mean with Kellie (Though I'm not really a fan. Great voice, poor songs, mostly. Taylor is a better songwriter; Carrie Underwood a better singer. Not a good time for poor Kellie!) and with Taylor, too. They have favoured themes and rarely move away from them. Hopefully, that will change for Taylor as she gets older. It's so hard to remember sometimes that she's still only 20, with all that she's accomplished. If there's one thing that's certain about Taylor, though, it's that everything she does is on her own terms. Anyone turning down record deals because they won't let her sing her own songs is not that easy to turn from her path - and the more so when that has led to such incredible success. I think the biggest danger with her is burnout, honestly, as she seems to do so much herself. *** Auto-tune is what results in that horrible noise over the singing, yeah. If you listen to 'Can't be Tamed' live vrs the video version, the difference really stands out. Same with 'Party In The USA'. That horrible electronic mutilation of her voice is the result of over-use of auto-tune. I normally describe such songs as 'electroniced-to-death' and it's a very popular effect in Dance music, apparently. Not popular with me, though! I wouldn't mind SO much, but Miley has a terrific voice and sounds vastly better if the wretched device is turned off, as her live concerts prove.
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Post by sharon on Aug 6, 2010 14:53:35 GMT
I hear that often, but I tend to be little perfectionist, so then I get the feeling I'm not explaining well or not being all that clear... But I'll forget it, as it seems there's nothing to worry about... i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifI'm not a Kellie fan either. Only have two songs of hers. the one with Taylor and the one called 'I Wonder.' Actually, even though Taylor is only 20, I have the feeling mostly that she's older. I actually think she's 'too' old for these High school kind of songs. I just hope for her people are not fed up with her music soon. When looking at commends on Youtube, I can see most people are starting to be a little fed up with her High school genre. So I'm hoping this next album will be a success, but just like you I'm little 'afraid or bracing myself for the fact that people turn their backs on her. Perhaps that her open and spontanious temperament/image can help to keep (most of) her fans....I think that her temperament is already for at least 60% responsible for her success...if not more And to get back on her age...like I said, she seems really independent in making such huge decisions if it comes to record deals, so for that matter it's as if she's older then 20. I always looked at Miley like a little 'puppy' with a huge 'bark.' And sometimes her singing was quite like barking Though she's a lot better now as I heard from her 'House of Blues' concerts. I've seen some interviews of hers, and I can see that she grew up in the spotlights. I actually saw her as a 1 year old in an interview with her father! So I suppose it's hard to compare her with Taylor. I understand what you mean now with the auto-tune idea. I'm not really a fan of it either. I believe Britney Spears uses (or used) it a lot too, and you know, Miley is a fan of Britney Spears....or was... Sharon*
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 6, 2010 15:41:10 GMT
Yeah, Taylor is... Different. She's not trying to act like she's older than her actual age as so many do, she's just naturally got the poise and confidence of a woman ten years older. She not only controls her career to an extent most other artists can only dream of, but she's clearly absolutely comfortable in her own skin. I think you're right that a lot of the appeal for fans is Taylor herself at least as much as her songwriting talent, though. She's possibly the only person ever who parents & children alike see as a fantastic role model. She is an absolute sweetheart and not afraid to be girly with it. A whole generation of girls is going to grow up knowing because of Taylor that they don't have to either act like a man or be a stripper in order to succeed. They can respect themselves as women because Taylor does, and that's an incredibly powerful message to send. That said, I don't think Taylor has any real idea of the seismic transformational effect she has just by being herself. She's just being who she is, after all. If it sounds like I'm kind of in awe of her, it's because I am! Won't help if her next album sucks, though! *** Britney stopped making music several albums back, IMO. She's been pretty much the anti-Taylor, in that the more control she has over her music, the worse it gets. I feel very sorry for Britney as a person, though. It must be terrible to be forced into living a lie because your parents want you to be something you aren't. It's no wonder she broke under the pressure. *** As for Miley - she's a far bigger star than Britney, these days. Some of the dreadful costumes she wears definitely seem inspired by Britney's current soft porn stage outfits, though, which is a terrible mistake for Miley, given that she's only 17. I understand her need to assert her own identity as a young woman and move away from the whole Hannah Montana/Disney image, but I think she would do far better to take Taylor as inspiration rather than Britney. The way she's going, she's alienating a lot of young fans who looked up to her and offending their parents, which is worse. Won't matter IF she can make the transition from child star to adult star, but that's a really rocky path which very few have negotiated successfully. Too often, the star will never be forgiven for daring to actually grow up. Faced with that, I can see why Miley is doing what she's doing, but she'd be far better going with the authentic Rock Chick look, as in her House Of Blues concert. In fact, now that she's out from under Disney's yoke, I suspect she will. She seems to have a very good business sense, especially for someone so young. I suspect she will make it through the child star to adult star barrier, but it won't be easy, even for her. A combination of confidence, connections and raw talent will at least get her the chance, though. I just hope most people will be able to listen to her future music with an open mind and without the ghost of Hannah hanging over her. I'm not very confident on that point, though, I must admit.
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Post by sharon on Aug 6, 2010 16:24:15 GMT
I like the fact that she has admitted that she was bullied in school and I remember she said in an interview that at one point nobody wanted to sit with her in the canteen! I have similar experiences, but I don't have the guts to do something like acting or singing (though with a tone-deaf dad, the genes are pretty much...bad for me if it comes to a singing career!) - Anyway, those kids who turned their backs on her, are probably now her biggest fans, or perhaps very green looking! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif I think that last one! And she also makes fun mostly about her height and that just shows how - like you said - comfortable she is in her skin. Indeed a great role model. But there are so many more people 'in the spotlight' who are just very good role models. I can recall so many actresses and singers which I find great rolemodels. One of them is the main topic in this forum i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif :2fun: It didn't just 'sound' as if you were in awe of her, I already noticed that a long time back i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifI liked Britney when she was at the beginning of her career, but back then I was only....8 maybe...so I had the typical age for that kind of music. I still like her first few songs though. Heard and read so many stories, didn't know what to believe. Though it was pretty obvious she was trying to find herself, and that's hard if everybody is telling her how to be, which is something she's not. Sadly her little sis didn't do all to well herself either...having a baby at 16.... I notice that many young singers are besides Miley wear these ridiculous revealing costumes. I know times are changing, but some types of clothes is just too much. Not something I like to wear. Hilary Duff went to the same stuff I suppose. Also started out as Disney starlet as Lizzie McGuire and eventually started singing. Her first songs were all poppy (at that age I was a fan!) but then she started to sing (or tried to) sing rock en became a little bith gothic like, dated the lead singer of Good Charlotte en also started to loose so much weight, that it started to become really...sickening. Growing up is fine, but don't starve yourself. I started to loose interest a lot when she made these Pop/rock kind of music. Miley seems to have good parents, so I sure may hope they talk sense in her as well when going too far. Though I think they want her to make own decisions. But even though she's not a part of the Disney team anymore, the public (especially kids) will always see her as Hannah Montana. Sticks like mud... Sharon*
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 6, 2010 17:08:57 GMT
OK, so maybe I'm a little obvious about my Taylor admiration! I have to agree that Hayley would be a good role model for young women. The trick is persuading young women of that fact. Hayley fans tend to be much older than she is, for the most part, after all. Hayley is very much the person that mothers would like their daughters to emulate, but whether the daughters themselves would be so keen... Always the question. One of the things I hate about modern Pop is that it does tend to objectivise women. It sometimes seems that the only way for a young lady to get success is to be very pretty and wear a minimum of clothes. Fortunately, there are a fair number of very talented female singer/songwriters who are trying hard to break out of that mould, but unfortunately the surest route to fame still appears to be wearing outfits that are more soft porn than anything else. Talent far too often takes a back seat to image, which is very sad. Of course, the leader of the 'success on talent not stripping' movement is very much Taylor Swift. While she hasn't killed the trend entirely, I think she has damaged it and a lot of young ladies are coming through now who (While still pretty, for the most part) are not making soft porn vids, which is great.
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Post by sharon on Aug 6, 2010 17:26:21 GMT
Well, You 'defend' her well...so in that it's obvious that you have quite an admiration for her. She is not 'perfect' but to me, most singers aren't perfect. You can't be good in everything...
Hayleys music is more tempting to older people. Though I'm glad I found her music, as it does good for me. Never knew that music can do that! I've listened to a lot of music and before Hayley I was all into Taylor (her songs usually make me feel rather happy then sad). But I've think it's now almost a year ago that I got in touch with this great music, and I actually learned a lot about this genre. And besides, it's helping me a lot.
Taylors music is doing pretty much the same, though the exact opposite, makes me happy and if I need some rhythm I'll just play a Taylor song, or another total opposite song, like Lady GaGa or even Katy Perry. Though both Katy Perry & Lady GaGa are, as you said 'objectivise' women. Both go actually nude in their videos, don't like that!
You forgot to mention that besides Taylor...Hayley is also a 'success on talent not stripping.' As I've read, she also does what SHE wants and not what recordlables ask her to do. Regarding to clothing... It would be nice if she (Hayley) gained more fame here in NL, but if it has to be the way like Hollywood does, then I'd say 'No Way!'
Sharon*
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Post by larryhauck on Aug 6, 2010 22:32:57 GMT
OK, so maybe I'm a little obvious about my Taylor admiration! I have to agree that Hayley would be a good role model for young women. The trick is persuading young women of that fact. Hayley fans tend to be much older than she is, for the most part, after all. Hayley is very much the person that mothers would like their daughters to emulate, but whether the daughters themselves would be so keen... Always the question. One of the things I hate about modern Pop is that it does tend to objectivise women. It sometimes seems that the only way for a young lady to get success is to be very pretty and wear a minimum of clothes. Fortunately, there are a fair number of very talented female singer/songwriters who are trying hard to break out of that mould, but unfortunately the surest route to fame still appears to be wearing outfits that are more soft porn than anything else. Talent far too often takes a back seat to image, which is very sad. Of course, the leader of the 'success on talent not stripping' movement is very much Taylor Swift. While she hasn't killed the trend entirely, I think she has damaged it and a lot of young ladies are coming through now who (While still pretty, for the most part) are not making soft porn vids, which is great. Hey Elliot You Like Taylor. I don't care for her music but she's cute as heck so I like that. That's why they make different color cars. We all have our favorites. Larry
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 6, 2010 22:52:26 GMT
Sharon, I definitely do defend Taylor, yes. But like you say, no-one is perfect and I'm not blind to her weaknesses. I always think it's a bit silly to put anyone SO high on the pedestal that they can do no wrong. Hayley is indeed a 'success on talent not stripping' and has obvious integrity. This is one reason why I respect her as a person as well as an artist. Her voice utterly mesmerises me, though, I must admit. Has from the first moment I heard it. Only Faryl comes close in terms of that. Most Classical singers are, to me, quite ordinary and thus forgettable. Not those two. Lady Gaga is quite strange, in that I'm never sure if there's any talent or whether it's all smoke & mirrors. I do know Alex Roots sings Paparazzi better than Gaga does, though! Alex's cover on one of her official YouTube channels, if you're curious (Alex will be immense, BTW. I'm certain of that! . Katy Perry can sing, but I've never really gotten into her music. Not sure why, as I do really like Hot N Cold. As for Taylor's voice - it's incredibly pleasant on the ears. I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone sing in quite that tone. For all her amazing song writing skills, sometimes I just like listening to the voice, for all its frailty. Weird, huh?
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 6, 2010 22:53:57 GMT
OK, so maybe I'm a little obvious about my Taylor admiration! I have to agree that Hayley would be a good role model for young women. The trick is persuading young women of that fact. Hayley fans tend to be much older than she is, for the most part, after all. Hayley is very much the person that mothers would like their daughters to emulate, but whether the daughters themselves would be so keen... Always the question. One of the things I hate about modern Pop is that it does tend to objectivise women. It sometimes seems that the only way for a young lady to get success is to be very pretty and wear a minimum of clothes. Fortunately, there are a fair number of very talented female singer/songwriters who are trying hard to break out of that mould, but unfortunately the surest route to fame still appears to be wearing outfits that are more soft porn than anything else. Talent far too often takes a back seat to image, which is very sad. Of course, the leader of the 'success on talent not stripping' movement is very much Taylor Swift. While she hasn't killed the trend entirely, I think she has damaged it and a lot of young ladies are coming through now who (While still pretty, for the most part) are not making soft porn vids, which is great. Hey Elliot You Like Taylor. I don't care for her music but she's cute as heck so I like that. That's why they make different color cars. We all have our favorites. Larry LOL! So very true, Larry! It would be a very boring world if everyone liked the same things, wouldn't it?
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