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Post by Andrew on Nov 19, 2008 23:35:08 GMT
Hi All, I really admire Hayley for "sticking to her guns"... She knows her own mind! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifBTW Hayley's polka dot dress is a lot of fun and certainly turns the word "dowdy" (as mentioned by at least one member on this Forum here) on it's head... i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifWe're still on topic here... (OK?) since I'm still referring to Hayley's polka dots... I had a flashback to the mid 1980's... There was a Scottish pop/rock group around then with 2 female singers called 'Strawberry Switchblade'. Does anyone remember them? Their most famous song was released in 1984 - it was called 'Since Yesterday'... Have a look at the video for this song at the link below... with the 2 girls (Jill Bryson & Rose McDowall) they're clad in togs with polka dots galore!!! Maybe Hayley will sing this song for fun one day too? The video to the song can be seen hereAndrew
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Post by gra7890 on Nov 20, 2008 0:05:57 GMT
Two comments in the 3news Feedback......
Comments [2] Nicole
19 Nov 2008 9:36p.m. Im so glad that your not prepared to lower your standards for the sake of being popular, My boyfriend has a little sister (13) and i often get concerned about her rolemodels and all the other teens that walk around with near to nothing. I will definetly buy an album, to be honest im not really into classical but i am interested in keeping wholesome NZ talent plus someone that has some principles in the lime light, All the best Hayley and you have a supporter in me Nic
Mark Regan
19 Nov 2008 7:54p.m.
We Hayley Fans in the United States support Hayley in her refusal to dress (or undress, as the case may be) like Britney Spears.
I, for one, am ashamed at the way some of our American celebrities dress, and am proud that Hayley has the courage to stand up to the studio executives who are responsive more to the stockholders in their pursuit of profits than to Hayley and her fans worldwide who respect and admire her for her talent, her courage, her tasteful gowns, her behavior above reproach, her patriotism, her respect for the values her parents taught her, and her humanitarian activities on behalf of the under privileged
Graham
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Post by gra7890 on Nov 20, 2008 0:10:50 GMT
Hopefully they will repair the fault so we can vote !
Graham
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Post by Libby on Nov 20, 2008 0:55:10 GMT
I'm sure the guy next to me was trying to photograph her predicament but somehow I just kept bumping into him! Good going, Grant, to save our Hayley from an unflattering shot! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif Even if she wouldn't have to see it. Hayley always wears great clothes that look good on her, and that's good enough for me. There is a dress that she's wearing in a photo in her book, the one at an earlier concert, bowing with her brother and sister. I don't really like the skirt in that one, but at least it's not inappropriate. I think her fashion choices lately are much improved since her earlier days, so I see no reason for anyone to complain. Her career isn't based on what she wears, so she doesn't need to go to any extraordinary effort to make an image for herself like stevemacdonald suggested. I think she is already just by sticking to what she likes and believes in.
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Post by larryhauck on Nov 20, 2008 1:51:20 GMT
Hi Colin,
I couldn't have said it any better than you. Hayley ,as was Audrey Hepburn (one of my favorites) was confident in the image she wished to project. I'm not sure how this thread got started being four thousand miles away from the U K; but I can't imagine anyone criticizing Hayley for her appearance and choice of dress. Hayley has always been a role model to all young women. Anyone that would change her would be turning a silk purse into a sows ear. If it's trashy young women you prefer , I recommend you come to the U S. We seem to have more than our share. To change Hayley would be like changing the beauty of a rose.
Larry
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Post by larryhauck on Nov 20, 2008 1:56:28 GMT
Hi All,
Hayley would look gorgeous dressed in a potato sack. Also I happen to love polka dots.
Larry
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Post by milewalker on Nov 20, 2008 2:00:39 GMT
Her career isn't based on what she wears, so she doesn't need to go to any extraordinary effort to make an image for herself like stevemacdonald suggested. Hi Libby, I was about to complain because I was unaware that I stated any personal preference at all in anything I posted below. However, I see that you edited your post, so I wont say that I do of course have one personal preference - whatever Hayley and her record company agree upon I hope that she and her career will survive, and hopefully thrive. What I hear people saying here is not that what she wears doesnt matter - it is that they like the way she dresses right now just fine. I admittedly come at issues like this from a very different direction than most people on this forum do, and in a way people often find disconcerting. In my view, Hayley is not only a person, but also a magnificent singer, thus producing a marketed product. which is a separate thing from the person herself. In most cases, when only potential first time buyers are concerned, the appearance of a product is actually more important than the quality because it is the first point of contact with a potential customer. Faced with a selection of similar products, I have to see it before I can buy it, therefore the more eye catching the package is, the more likely I am to select it, To be fair, this is mitigated somewhat in the case of a singer - but even there, image has become more and more important simply because the world we live in has become more and more visual. That is why they put a picture of the artist on the album cover. Jon
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Post by fusilier23 on Nov 20, 2008 3:06:31 GMT
Methinks the Telegraph needed to fill up some column inches and other celebs didn't oblige them. Sorry, slow news week in the UK, I guess.
Universal, like most companies that deal primarily in entertainment, is aiming to please the 24-38 demographic. Hayley tended to please the somewhat older PBS demographic, who are still questing for that perfect role model for their granddaughter, or maybe just the perfect granddaughter, when she was in her teens. Now that she's undeniably an adult, Universal would like to use her to try to get more of that younger demographic, and they figure the easiest way to do that is to tart her up.
It's kind of an insult to the young men, when you think about it, assuming that it's always about skin, and that if you show it, they will come, never mind anything else, as if young men have no brains of their own or can never control their desires. It's also quickly self-limiting, since once the audience has seen all there is to see, there's nowhere else to go and nothing new to show, so they move on to the next tart.
It's also a problem in that once this bell's been rung, you can't unring it. Hayley's established fans would be disgusted if she tarted up, and though she might gain some fans in the short one, she'd lose her base in the long run. Her career plan does not include a quick payoff and quick retirement, she's in it for the long haul.
Hayley COULD stand to introduce something other than the green and orange, though. Hopefully she'll have some nice new Xmas gowns, once she gets well enough to sing again.
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Post by Richard on Nov 20, 2008 8:58:52 GMT
Hello again everybody. It looks as though the opinion poll was closed just after I drew attention to it yesterday. I'm not sure how this thread got started... Just look at the first post, Larry! Richard
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Post by larryhauck on Nov 20, 2008 16:00:09 GMT
Hayley wore a beautiful knee length dress in Liverpool and again in Northhampton. It was very tasteful and well suited to her. And it was definetly not dowdy.
Larry
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Post by postscript on Nov 20, 2008 17:36:14 GMT
Comments [2] Nicole
19 Nov 2008 9:36p.m. Im so glad that your not prepared to lower your standards for the sake of being popular, My boyfriend has a little sister (13) and i often get concerned about her rolemodels and all the other teens that walk around with near to nothing. I will definetly buy an album, to be honest im not really into classical but i am interested in keeping wholesome NZ talent plus someone that has some principles in the lime light, All the best Hayley and you have a supporter in me Nic
Who knows gra7890 if she buys either 'Pure' or 'ROD' she finds she likes Hayley anyway! I used to recommend 'Pure' to new people but now (although I haven't got my copy yet) I recommend 'ROD' for that is on it and the spread it provides of her work. Peter S.
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Post by postscript on Nov 20, 2008 18:00:25 GMT
Hi Peter what do people think lies behind her 50s height hem-line, lime-yellow dress? I may, quite possibly, be behind the times, but I do not see the lime green dress as '50's', but my immediate thoughts upon seeing Hayley wearing it at Stoke (after "WOW" of course ) was one of practicality. We've seen, on several ocassions, Hayley struggle with either keyboard, piano or stool because of the long gown she was wearing and a shorter dress is the obvious answer. The fact that she only wears it for, I think, three numbers including "Sonny" seems to bear this out. Best wishes Grant That is an interesting observation Grant which never occurred to me. Peter S.
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Post by Libby on Nov 20, 2008 20:34:25 GMT
Her career isn't based on what she wears, so she doesn't need to go to any extraordinary effort to make an image for herself like stevemacdonald suggested. I was about to complain because I was unaware that I stated any personal preference at all in anything I posted below. However, I see that you edited your post, so I wont say that I do of course have one personal preference - whatever Hayley and her record company agree upon I hope that she and her career will survive, and hopefully thrive. What I hear people saying here is not that what she wears doesnt matter - it is that they like the way she dresses right now just fine. I admittedly come at issues like this from a very different direction than most people on this forum do, and in a way people often find disconcerting. In my view, Hayley is not only a person, but also a magnificent singer, thus producing a marketed product. which is a separate thing from the person herself. In most cases, when only potential first time buyers are concerned, the appearance of a product is actually more important than the quality because it is the first point of contact with a potential customer. Faced with a selection of similar products, I have to see it before I can buy it, therefore the more eye catching the package is, the more likely I am to select it, To be fair, this is mitigated somewhat in the case of a singer - but even there, image has become more and more important simply because the world we live in has become more and more visual. That is why they put a picture of the artist on the album cover. Sorry, Jon, sometimes I get you 2 confused. I changed it pretty quickly, because I caught my error right after I posted it. I see what you're saying about the appearance of a "product", but when people see Hayley, how could they see anything but a nice, beautiful young lady, who looks great without wearing inappropriate outfits? For me, if I see a performer wearing a nasty outfit, it's an immediate turn-off. That proves your point, I suppose. If someone buys an album just because they like how nasty they dress, there must be something wrong with them.
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Post by martindn on Nov 20, 2008 23:02:47 GMT
Hi Peter I may, quite possibly, be behind the times, but I do not see the lime green dress as '50's', but my immediate thoughts upon seeing Hayley wearing it at Stoke (after "WOW" of course ) was one of practicality. We've seen, on several ocassions, Hayley struggle with either keyboard, piano or stool because of the long gown she was wearing and a shorter dress is the obvious answer. The fact that she only wears it for, I think, three numbers including "Sonny" seems to bear this out. Best wishes Grant That is an interesting observation Grant which never occurred to me. Peter S. Actually it did occur to me, and I think Grant is right! Am I alone in liking that dress? But then, I like Hayley in all of her stage dresses, the newer ones especially. Martin
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Post by martindn on Nov 20, 2008 23:34:01 GMT
Ok, I've had a good think about this issue now. And there is going to be quite a lot to say, so this is part one. And I have a few perhaps controversial points (I can hear the mods groaning now!). It may be a little naive I know, but what has how Hayley dresses on stage and TV got to do with her record company? Record companies sell records. That's music! CDs. They have no visual content. You usually have no idea what the artist was wearing when the music was recorded. As far as the visual aspect of an artists work is concerned, there might be photo shoots for the album artwork, but apart from that the visual aspect, certainly at concert and TV performances, is something they (rightly should) have no influence over. To a record company all concert and TV appearances are is free advertising! So it is highly arrogant of Decca, in my opinion (somebody tell me why I'm wrong) to assume that they own Hayley and can control the non-recording aspects of her career. I though about why I buy records. I have accumulated quite a lot of them over the years. And what is it that pesuaded me to buy them and choose those particular ones? In every case, I think it was becuse I liked the music, and wanted to be able to hear more of it. It was never ever because of the way that the artist dressed. Quite simply, it was never a consideration. So are there record buyers around that buy music for reasons unrelated to the actual music? Perhaps there are. Those perhaps who want to be trendy. But are record companies then in the business of selling music to people who don't like music, or at least don't care about it? I suspect they will sell to anybody who will buy, for any reason they can think of. To me, Hayley is first and foremost all about music. OK I have come to respect her as a fine human being too, but it was the music that primarily attracted me and continues to attract me to her. I think that most people here would agree! That is why I am a fan, I love to hear her sing! What she wears, and how she presents herself is very secondary, and not apparent when you buy a record. It is her voice and her music that compels me to buy her records. And I'm sure that is the way Hayley wants it to be. I think that in Hayley's case, anyone who buys her records for any other reason (except perhaps family or friendship loyalty) has picked the wrong artist. It worries me a lot that her records company don't seem to understand that. Are they really that inept?
Martin
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