There must have been eight tracks which were accepted as being classical or it would not have been eligible for the classical charts. The rule in the UK is that there must be at least a sixty per cent classical content.
As you might expect, Dave is the expert but I know this was discussed at length at the time and we eventually came up with a list of what they must have been. No doubt that discussion is now buried deep somewhere on this forum! It must have included things like River of Dreams as it is based on Vivaldi's 'Four Seasons' and has a "classical" orchestral backing.
Yes, you must be right if that is the rule. Perhaps Never Say Goodbye, (Ravel) for similar reasons. Must have just about scraped in, and I'm glad it did, in view of best selling classical album of the century title. It might be interesting to do a similar analysis on Odyssey, and Treasure. I assumed Prayer would not be eligable, but since they seen to accept film music, I'm not so sure now. BTW Amazon are now recommending Prayer to me, at I think 22.50 ukp. I got it cheaper from Japan, even including postage. I get the feeling it could sell here too.
Hi Martin and Roger. Howz about the following highlighted ones:
1. Pokarekare Ana 2. Never Say Goodbye 3. Who Painted The Moon Black 4. River Of Dreams 5. Benedictus 6. Hine E Hine 7. Dark Waltz 8. Amazing Grace 9. In Trutina [from Orff's 'Carmina Burana'] 10. Beat Of Your Heart 11. Heaven 12. Wuthering Heights 13. Hine E Hine [Maori mix]
Which is 8 tracks classical i.e.61.5% which is OK. Although... it's actually done on total playing time so if I couldn't have found 8 tracks, i would have been adding up the track lengths!
Incidentally, the Maori Mix of Hine e Hine was clearly added to meet the classical chart criteria - without it the album would not have qualified. I know this for certain 'coz I asked someone we all know who is 'in the know' .
As for the special Edition, well I reckon it must have been:
disc 2 1. Mary Did You Know 2. Bridal Ballad 3. Pokarekare Ana 4. My Heart And I 5. Across The Universe Of Time 6. Silent Night 7. Away In A Manger 8. Pokarekare Ana [Ignored]
Which makes 12/20 tracks = 60.0% which is exactly the limit... so for that, you'd certainly need to count the track lengths, which I don't intend to do i21.photobucket.com/albums/b294/hdjoespics/EEjdKsU.gif If Mary Did You Know and Bridal Ballad didn't count, it probably qualified on total track lengths.
The criteria in place here would give an actuary a rash....it would have never occurred to me that "Mary Did You Know" was a classical song. In fact, back when I went to school and was actually interested in this, almost none of these works would have been considered technically classical, because as we were taught, sacred music wasnt classical, and neither were Christmas carols - unless either was actually written by a "classical" composer - ie Handel and some music from the Messiah - Even then there is an issue because the strictest of all possible definitions would go further to make a distinction between "classical" "Baroque", "neo-classical" and "romantic" etc)
I am not saying that the definition is wrong so much as that they would have failed a test or two in the classes I took By the standards they are using now, who knows.....a song like "White Rabbit" by Jefferson Airplane might end up on a classic FM playlist in 2057.
Dave - post edit. I would have thought that the "Bridal Ballad" came closer to a "classical" song than MDYK.
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I've added both of them with a query. Who knows? Certainly not me. It's even possible that the extra tracks are all irrelevant - this would be the case if only the initial release was counted but I just don't know.
Sacred songs, traditional Christmas carols and many general traditional songs certainly do count towards the UK classical charts, also certain film/movie music - if the other criteria are met (classical instruments for example). I think the classical criteria are stricter in the US but there, there is an additional classical crossover chart so you would expect that.
Thanks for your sharing your insight and knowledge on sales and the criteria for the chart with us. It certainly makes for very interesting reading. I guess the continuing sales of Pure are partly due to the effect of new listeners (like me in 2007) discovering Hayley properly for the first time and then buying the older albums (as Grant alluded to).
It's interesting trying to work out the "classical" tracks on the albums. Is this one of the reasons why the tracks differ so much from region to region as there are different rules on what qualifies for a particular chart in a target market?
As an aside, do you have any estimates of how many copies Hayley's non-official UK releases have sold over here such as My Gift To You and Hayley Westenra? My guess would be that the owners of these 2 albums would all own each of the other 3 albums.
On the promotion front, if the budget is limited or more carefully controlled, then Hayley's fans will have to do the promotion for her. Maybe we could set up a website or forum to promote Hayley and her music. If only we could find some dedicated volunteers!
Maybe people could spread out Hayley's book or move it to the book of the week section in stores. We could move her CDs to the most prominent position on the racks in record stores. Now who would have the bottle to do that (eh Stephany? )
Thanks to a namesake of mine who estimates annual album sales for the entire pop album chart, I can now add something more to the debate. Pure finished at no. 24 in the UK album chart for 2003, it was the 24th best seller among all artist (pop chart) albums and I thought it would be interesting to compare the annual sales of the no. 24 pop album for each year since then so here we go.
Annual UK sales of the no. 24 album in the annual chart
2003 - 579,000 (Hayley, Pure) 2004 - 585,000 (Westlife, Allow Us To Be Frank) 2005 - 595,000 (Basement Jaxx, The Singles) 2006 - 552,000 (Paulo Nuttini, These Streets) 2007 - 413,000 (The Killers, Sam's Town)
The final one isn't a typo, it really is only 413,000. The album market crashed in the UK this year and it's been the same throughout the year, not at any particular time of year. That represents a 29% drop in sales or to look at it another way, if Treasure had matched the sales of Pure, it would really have done 40% better than Pure, if you see what I mean (and would have finished no. 9 in the annual chart!).
My end of year estimate for Treasure is 74,000 so If we adjust that up by 40%, it makes 103,600, which is more than the original version of Odyssey (sold 94,000 copies in 2005). The percentage change will be less lower down the chart (perhaps due to loyal fanbases having a bigger proportionate effect) and I don't yet have the 2007 figures at the 100,000 level - but it does seem likely that Treasure has done about as well as the original edition of Odyssey (in terms of market share) in spite of the truncated promotion.
For market share of all UK CDs (see here) Hayley has probably done better than in 2006 and about as well as 2005. I'll re-work the figures when I can get down to the 100,000 level, probably in a couple of weeks time.
In terms of annual UK sales of all her CDs (see above on this page) , Hayley has arguably done better than 2006 and at least as well as 2005 - in terms of market share. I'll re-work the figures when I can get down to the 100,000 level, probably in a couple of weeks time.