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Post by Richard on Feb 23, 2009 9:45:05 GMT
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Post by Richard on Feb 24, 2009 15:45:15 GMT
Hello again Dave! This morning I noticed that HMV stores are still selling the original UK edition of 'Pure' at the bargain price of only £6. Perhaps Jonathan Ansell's fans are buying dozens of copies, causing the album to shoot back up the charts. Richard
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Post by Richard on Feb 28, 2009 13:25:30 GMT
Hayley's 'River of Dreams' has gone up two places to No.24 in this week's Classic FM Chart, but the big news is 'Pure' has shot up fourteen places to No.5, as Dave predicted. Well done Hayley! The Priests are still at No.1 for the twelfth week out of thirteen in the chart. www.classicfm.co.uk/Article.asp?id=251563Richard
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Post by Colin on Feb 28, 2009 14:22:11 GMT
In my local Sainsbury's the original 13-track version of Pure is on sale at £3...
I'm not sure how CD revenues are split, but apart from pushing it up the charts I wouldn't have thought at that price that it would be doing much benefit for Hayley. When CDs are discounted this much, does anyone know who is taking the hit?
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Colin
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Post by Dave on Feb 28, 2009 15:29:07 GMT
Hi Colin,
Aha! I suspected that one of the supermarkets was selling Pure again at a budget price, but I haven't been to a Sainsburys for a couple of weeks. Tesco and Asda don't have it.
This is an unusually low price even for a budget release so I am guessing that they have surfaced from the recent liquidation of the major CD distributor Entertainment UK Ltd. (EUK), who went under because Woolworths owned them. Bankrupt stock is my guess - sold off cheap by the liquidators. I notice that Katherine Jenkins' first album has suddenly reappeared near the top of the classical chart, probably for the same reason. Who took the hit? Probably the Woolworths shareholders and creditors, Decca will hopefully have been paid long ago but that's only a guess.
The benefit for Decca and indirectly Hayley, is that by pushing her up in the UK classical charts, it gets her some free promotion and may increase the sales of her other albums.
Cheers, Dave
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Post by Richard on Feb 28, 2009 15:57:16 GMT
Hello Dave and Colin! Katherine's 'Premiere' was the highest climber in this week's Classic FM Chart, jumping 22 places to No.2. Richard
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Post by martindn on Feb 28, 2009 22:51:40 GMT
Amazon currently have the original UK Pure at £3.98. The Special edition is £4.98. But order something else at the same time, or you will get stung for postage.
Martin
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Post by roger on Feb 28, 2009 23:16:13 GMT
Hi Martin, You could always buy several copies to qualify for the free deliver and then give them away as Christmas presents. Okay, I know it's only February - I like to plan ahead! Roger
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Post by Libby on Mar 2, 2009 5:37:06 GMT
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Post by Dave on Mar 2, 2009 14:54:51 GMT
Hello Peter! I thought Simon Bates was completely out of order by refusing to give any details of the CD of the Week. The casual listener probably won't bother to listen again tomorrow. Once again he's demonstrated that he's a total idiot. If he doesn't make amends tomorrow, I'm sure Faryl's supporters will flood Classic FM with complaints. Richard Hello Richard! I agree with you that Simon Bates attitude to this was a bit strange, it's more likely to annoy people than make them want to tune in to hear what it is! But I'm replying in the Official Charts thread as I have a grumble or two of my own about Classic FM. First, some time ago they shortened the chart show from three to two hours in length and when you deduct adverts, news bulletins and a new release, that leaves them with less than 90 minutes to try and squeeze 30 tracks into... some of which are over 10 minutes in length and many of which are from various artist compilations. So they are now missing out huge blocks of the chart and several individual artists, even climbers, so much so that it's becoming less and less like a chart show as time goes on. Last Saturday's show was the worst of the lot - Mark Forrest played the no. 8 album (Fron Choir) even though it went down two places, then ignored the next four places completely, skipping to the no. 3. He even left out the second biggest climber of the week at no. 5 - which of course happened to be Hayley's "Pure". This is ludicrous, and I would have said the same whoever it was that they omitted. They should certainly play the entire top ten and all the climbers, each week. I'm thinking that increasingly, Classic FM is rapidly becoming an irrelevance for Hayley and some other singers like her and this sort of thing makes me feel even more strongly that for her next UK album, she and Decca should forget about having to qualify for this increasingly irrelevant chart - and just make an album. Cheers, Dave
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Post by postscript on Mar 2, 2009 15:15:47 GMT
Hello Peter! I thought Simon Bates was completely out of order by refusing to give any details of the CD of the Week. The casual listener probably won't bother to listen again tomorrow. Once again he's demonstrated that he's a total idiot. If he doesn't make amends tomorrow, I'm sure Faryl's supporters will flood Classic FM with complaints. Richard Hello Richard! I agree with you that Simon Bates attitude to this was a bit strange, it's more likely to annoy people than make them want to tune in to hear what it is! But I'm replying in the Official Charts thread as I have a grumble or two of my own about Classic FM. First, some time ago they shortened the show from three to two hours in length and when you deduct adverts, news bulletins and a new release, that leaves them with less than 90 minutes to try and squeeze 30 tracks into... some of which are over 10 minutes in length and many of which are from various artist compilations. So they are now missing out huge blocks of the chart and several individual artists, even climbers, so much so that it's becoming less and less like a chart show as time goes on. Last Saturday's show was the worst of the lot - Mark Forrest played the no. 8 album (Fron Choir) even though it went down two places, then ignored the next four places completely, skipping to the no. 3. He even left out the second biggest climber of the week at no. 5 - which of course happened to be Hayley's "Pure". This is ludicrous, and I would have said the same whoever it was that they omitted. They should certainly play the entire top ten and all the climbers, each week. I'm thinking that increasingly, Classic FM is rapidly becoming an irrelevance for Hayley and some other singers like her and this sort of thing makes me feel even more strongly that for her next UK album, she and Decca should forget about having to qualify for this increasingly irrelevant chart - and just make an album. Cheers, Dave Oh wow! on so 'simple' a matter what a diversity of opinion! I'll perhaps respond to Richard under that thread and refer to Dave's post for now. 1. Dave provides some fulsome information of which I for one was unaware. To be frank, when Hayley's not in the running I rarely refer to that programme (though I will this Saturday to know how Faryl is faring). In fact, come to think of it, as I am not one for 'music playing in the background' my current preoccupations have led me away from 'automatic' tune-ins. 2. I accept the validity of Dave's points but wonder if these do not arrive from seeing the programme as a 'means to an end' rather than as part of an overall entertainment schedule for a wider audience? When you play 'spring clean' you sometimes put the furniture back to how you originally had it before the try-out. Is it possible Classicfm does not intend the purpose Dave perceives was the programme's intentions? Have you moaned to Classicm, Dave? If so, what reaction? Peter S.
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Post by Dave on Mar 2, 2009 15:34:47 GMT
Hi Peter, I am looking at it from Hayley's and Decca's perspective, not Classic FM's. But the show was clearly created for and promoted for all of its existence as the place to listen to all or most of the classical chart, and that is why most of its audience listened, I think. So when it starts to move away from its fundamental purpose, as it seems to be doing these days, it is for me, a cause for concern. Classic FM are of course free to change anything they want but they should not expect to carry its original audience with them. Now, it seems to be closer to "some songs from the classical chart" rather than the Official Classic FM Chart Show. But I won't write to Classic FM about it as I don't think Hayley needs it any more. Decca may take a different view. Cheers, Dave
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Post by Richard on Mar 2, 2009 15:42:46 GMT
Hello Peter! The Classic FM Chart is based on sales up to the preceding weekend, so it's always nearly a week behind. Faryl's album is released on 9th March, so it can't enter the chart before Saturday 21st March. Richard
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Post by postscript on Mar 2, 2009 15:45:11 GMT
Hello Peter! The Classic FM Chart is based on sales up to the preceding weekend, so it's always nearly a week behind. Faryl's album is released on 9th March, so it can't enter the chart before Saturday 21st March. Richard Well done, Richard. I had completely forgotten that point! Thanks. Peter S.
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Post by postscript on Mar 2, 2009 16:03:44 GMT
Hi Peter, I am looking at it from Hayley's and Decca's perspective, not Classic FM's. But the show was clearly created for and promoted for all of its existence as the place to listen to all or most of the classical chart, and that is why most of its audience listened, I think. So when it starts to move away from its fundamental purpose, as it seems to be doing these days, it is for me, a cause for concern. Classic FM are of course free to change anything they want but they should not expect to carry its original audience with them. Now, it seems to be closer to "some songs from the classical chart" rather than the Official Classic FM Chart Show. But I won't write to Classic FM about it as I don't think Hayley needs it any more. Decca may take a different view. Cheers, Dave Hi Dave. Thanks for clarifying your 'viewing' perceptions. Do the points I have emboldened not raise an interesting parallel? Developing/expanding Hayley herself? Am I not right in understanding that the Classicfm audience is increasing in numbers, arguably despite the changes (or arguably the changes have not had sufficient time to sink in)? Is it perhaps not a good thing if Hayley can in fact be taken away from the 'ratings war'. She is herself and that is sufficient? If then she 'casts to the winds' predefined concepts: meeting classical criteria; the right balance of songs for specific genres etc, is that not one heck of a statement for her and other artists and we may get back to valuing artists for themselves not to please the accountants' statistical analyses? Let them stick with determining how many of what type of teas and coffees were sold in the cafeteria and leave us to remember we are in the entertainment industry dealing with the subjective issues of artistry, governed by individuality, not conformity to artificially created classifications for juggling accountants? Peter S.
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