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Post by gareth on Aug 16, 2005 23:44:40 GMT
I have no questions - I have just one comment to make. Sarah just doesn't leave me cold - she fills me with dislike.
I have seen a few recent Sarah TV appearances, including one on German TV last year - and I could only describe what I saw as being utterly weird. It presented a singer who used so much make up that it made her look ugly.
That TV appearance undoubtedly added to my dislike of Sarah - but I have to say, her voice never ever evoked in me the least bit of emotion.
There is just one song in which I like listening to Sarah - the duet Time To Say Goodbye with Andrea Bocelli - and as far as I am concerned, it's Andrea who carries the day on that one.
Sorry if I come across negative - but Sarah Brightman absolutely does nothing to me.
Gerrit
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Post by HWI on Aug 17, 2005 0:17:45 GMT
I must admit that I am not overly impressed with Sarah Brightman either. She is yet another who seems to have come to the conclusion that revealing costumes are the way to sell records. I can't see the link there as, when LISTENING to one of her albums, you can't see her.
Now to dispel a myth. Sarah Brightman did not originate Pie Jesu. This song comes from Andrew Lloyd Weber's Requiem, first performed at the Royal Albert Hall. Pie Jesu was written for a boy chorister - and was performed by one at the debut. A single was taken from the recording and released. Admittedly, it was very short lived but, that boy was the first solo artist to have a recording of it. Sarah Brightman was the first female artist to release it.
Also, there is only one work which was specifically scored for her voice which, at the time, was actually not capable of singing the part. So, she had to have special voice training to extend her range sufficiently to allow her to do the performance. That was the role of Christine in the Phantom of the Opera. For that, I felt she was perfect but, I find very little of what she has done since to be even of mild interest.
This just shows how the appreciation of music is so subjective.
Keith.
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Post by Oksana on Aug 17, 2005 0:36:43 GMT
I didn't want to bring the subject of clothing up, but now that Keith has, I'll say: ditto. I am very disappointed to find that Sarah's clothing choices seem to get smaller and more see-through by the album. She sold enough records fully dressed before she decided to shed most of it for her 'Classics' booklet (I have not seen the booklet and wouldn't want to, but I did read some reviews that described exactly what was in it, and it didn't sound pretty).
However, I don't see her when I listen to her, and if things get too revealing, I'll just buy her songs online without owning the photos.
I also want to say that while I don't find Sarah put as much emotion in her singing as she could -- but her voice alone, and especially when paired with the awesome arrangements she uses, is atmospheric enough to move me. It never leaves me cold.
Sarah is a singer who causes much controversy. Most people think either "I love her" or "I hate her." But singers whom everybody loves are usually short lived fads, while those that get mixed reviews are bringing something new and different to the table -- which I really appreciate from Ms. Brightman.
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Post by stephch on Aug 17, 2005 1:24:37 GMT
My problem with Sarah Brightman is she sounds so childlike sometime's and also there are time's were she hit's the high notes she sould's like a chipmuck for someone her age she should have a more mature voice.I prefer Hayley and Katherine Jenkins over her.
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Post by HWI on Aug 17, 2005 1:32:34 GMT
I didn't want to bring the subject of clothing up, but now that Keith has, I'll say: ditto. I am very disappointed to find that Sarah's clothing choices seem to get smaller and more see-through by the album. She sold enough records fully dressed before she decided to shed most of it for her 'Classics' booklet (I have not seen the booklet and wouldn't want to, but I did read some reviews that described exactly what was in it, and it didn't sound pretty). However, I don't see her when I listen to her, and if things get too revealing, I'll just buy her songs online without owning the photos. I also want to say that while I don't find Sarah put as much emotion in her singing as she could -- but her voice alone, and especially when paired with the awesome arrangements she uses, is atmospheric enough to move me. It never leaves me cold. Sarah is a singer who causes much controversy. Most people think either "I love her" or "I hate her." But singers whom everybody loves are usually short lived fads, while those that get mixed reviews are bringing something new and different to the table -- which I really appreciate from Ms. Brightman. This is an exceptionally balanced and mature post. One which I felt deserved being reproduced in quote here. They say sex sells. But, I still can't see the link with singing. Therefore, revealing costumes are totally unnecessary and inappropriate. It is true what someone says that when there are people who love a singer, and people who do not like them, then they are bringing something new to the table (I couldn't word that any better, so I didn't try). This is why there is always room for a fresh voice and fresh interpretation. I just feel that much of what Sarah is producing these days can be termed more wierd than wonderful.
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Post by roger on Aug 17, 2005 18:39:48 GMT
As I recently indicated, I have never been an admirer of Sarah but I thought I would be in the minority here. I am so amazed at the recent replies that I almost feel sorry for her! There are many highly popular singers in this world who, in my opinion, are much worse than Sarah whose voice I would merely describe as "watery". But there are others who, again in my opinion are far better, most of whom have been discussed on these boards. Whoever is your personal favourite, enjoy them. Roger
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Post by nicola on Aug 19, 2005 14:49:08 GMT
Naturally, I am biased. But I feel I must come to her rescue about this clothing issue. Doesn't sound pretty? Obviously, I have this booklet and it is in no way tacky. If you haven't seen it how can you judge it? She covers her modesty but the shed of clothes was to emulate a statue (or a painting, I have forgotten which) and it comes across as a piece of beautiful photography. I don't think she is trying to be sexy, she dresses in a way to complement the style of her album. La Luna she was in a gown of white (fully covered) to match the moon. Eden she wore drapes of red, Harem she wears exotic clothes for her album is set in an exotic place, Fly she dresses up as a fly (!) Classics has an art theme and so the appropriate photography is taken. I think she is a very creative woman and does not shed her clothes for the sheer sake of it. She envisions her albums as a whole and puts it all together fitting the jigsaw puzzle. Personally, I prefer a CD booklet that has had effort put into it. Dressing up as a Fly did her appearence NO favours, yet she done it. Her concerts follows the exact same theme. As for people that just don't like her, fair enough. It's all down to personal taste. Although I would like to comment on Sarahs producer, Frank Peterson. Sarahs ex-boyfriend now I believe, a german producer that founded Enigma. He is a very talented and diverse songwriter and producer and I trust ANY cd that man comes out with. He is also fully responsible for the Gregorian Masters of Chants (a gregorian choir and interprets modern songs). His work can naturally be called 'weird' because he tries anything new and different. He also adapted 'Time To Say Goodbye' to the one all the singers sing today (including Hayleys). All the record companies laughed in his face when he was trying to get the Gregorian Chants going. I bet he is the one laughing now. As for comparing Hayley and Sarah. That is a fair enough response. Although I feel their styles are completely different but that is down to individual interpretation. You can make a direct comparison in terms of the same songs they have recorded but when that happens Sarah always does it for me. I can't explain my gripe with Hayley (this isnt negative, I love her) but she always seems to have the same tone. That same high pitched tone that never changes. Pie Jesu: I'm aware Andrew Lloyd Webber wrote it. I'm a big fan of him too and own all his works. Although I didn't think recording had anything to with it. Sarah gave the first public performance of it in 1985 (the official one) and she sang it with a choir boy (I'm not sure who the original boy is, if it was the boy that recorded it with her or someone else). I'm trying to be objective here and unbiased. But she gave the first official performance and was the first released recording. That puts her down as the originator for me. *shrugs* Anything else? *looks over* Ah, the child like voice. Yes, she chooses that voice for some of her songs. It's mostly for her slow poppy ballads. I won't defend that, if you don't like it you don't like it. I think it sounds sweet But that's my taste. What I do appreciate about people maybe not liking her is that she is not the best singer in the world. She has some awful vocal habits and her arias, though thoroughly delivered are poor compared to the likes of Katherine Jenkins and other soprano greats. But I guess this is where my taste in classical crossover kicks in. I'm not purely into opera, and Sarahs renditions are always much more mild than the others so I enjoy hers the most. Sarah is one that also has a problem with vibrato, where Hayley surely shows superiority. Sarahs voice sounds as if it has been trained, hard and harshley, constantly (rather like Charlotte Church). Her endearment to me then, is how she uses it to her advantage and delivers so many songs from so many genres she always keeps me at the edge of my seat. And no other singer has moved me to tears during 'Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again', no one will ever beat her at that in my opinion. I think Emmy Rossum, very much rivaled Sarah as Christine and in many ways I prefer Emmy as Christine. But there is always this nagging fondness that will make me love Sarah not just a fad but for the rest of my days. I loved her from the moment I first heard her sing and that was almost 4 years ago now. I love Sarah
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Post by Natasha on Aug 19, 2005 23:02:53 GMT
Well, I'm so glad you enjoy her - I'm sure you get lots of pleasant hours listening to her music!!
I basically play music 24/7 and I want to add some new stuff to my play list so I'm going to try and get an original cast recording of "Phantom of the Opera." That should be good!
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Post by kcuteus1 on Aug 22, 2005 13:35:59 GMT
I like Sarah Brightman sometimes and sometimes I do not. But that is how I am and with some other people I am like that.
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Post by 1littlegirl on Aug 22, 2005 20:15:01 GMT
I basically play music 24/7 and I want to add some new stuff to my play list so I'm going to try and get an original cast recording of "Phantom of the Opera." That should be good! Yes, it's very good, Natasha!!
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Post by Oksana on Sept 1, 2005 17:56:56 GMT
Naturally, I am biased. But I feel I must come to her rescue about this clothing issue. Doesn't sound pretty? Obviously, I have this booklet and it is in no way tacky. If you haven't seen it how can you judge it? She covers her modesty but the shed of clothes was to emulate a statue (or a painting, I have forgotten which) and it comes across as a piece of beautiful photography. I don't think she is trying to be sexy, she dresses in a way to complement the style of her album. La Luna she was in a gown of white (fully covered) to match the moon. Eden she wore drapes of red, Harem she wears exotic clothes for her album is set in an exotic place, Fly she dresses up as a fly (!) Classics has an art theme and so the appropriate photography is taken. I think she is a very creative woman and does not shed her clothes for the sheer sake of it. She envisions her albums as a whole and puts it all together fitting the jigsaw puzzle. Personally, I prefer a CD booklet that has had effort put into it. Dressing up as a Fly did her appearance NO favours, yet she done it. Her concerts follows the exact same theme. I know that Sarah makes themed albums, and I think that's a wonderful idea. Eden and La Luna are like like pieces of art -- the music and the pictures compliment each other and the whole listening experience is more than you get from most albums today. However, I personally feel she took it too far with Classics. You just confirmed what I had read with your sentence: “She covers her modesty but the shed of clothes was to emulate a statue.” Some people look at that as art. Others, like me, are (honestly) offended by miniskirts and low-rise jeans, so obviously we could be offended by a “shed of clothes.” Even if she wasn't trying to be sexy in the photos, I feel there is a lot of other art she could have chosen to emulate. You and I are coming from different points of views, so we have to agree to disagree here. Let’s close the clothing topic. I agree with everything else you said. I like Sarah’s childlike tone too, and it sort of reminds me of the voice in which Hayley sang “What You Never Know.” I also very much appreciate Sarah’s sense of style; as you said, there aren’t many artists who put that much effort into their albums nowadays. And, like you, there are many places I could critique Sarah, but the positives outweigh the negatives and she is one of my favourite female singers of all time. By the way, I’d like to get another album (I already have Eden, La Luna, and ALW Collection). Can you recommend one for me? Thanks!
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Post by portia on Sept 2, 2005 6:29:58 GMT
Just a question, then, someone, are you offended when you see a nude Greek statue of a woman, or Botticelli's Venus, or Ingres' Harem girl, or the many thousands of nudes in art?
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Post by Oksana on Sept 2, 2005 17:14:33 GMT
Just a question, then, someone, are you offended when you see a nude Greek statue of a woman, or Botticelli's Venus, or Ingres' Harem girl, or the many thousands of nudes in art? Simple answer: yes. I have very strong moral values and I feel that there is a lot of other wonderful art I can appreciate without compromising those values. Please do not forget that I am 13. Now, can we please return to the subject of Sarah, rather than nudity?
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Post by roger on Sept 2, 2005 17:38:56 GMT
Just a question, then, someone, are you offended when you see a nude Greek statue of a woman, or Botticelli's Venus, or Ingres' Harem girl, or the many thousands of nudes in art? Simple answer: yes. I have very strong moral values and I feel that there is a lot of other wonderful art I can appreciate without compromising those values. Please do not forget that I am 13. Now, can we please return to the subject of Sarah, rather than nudity? For the benefit of anyone regardless of age who may feel uncomfortable or offended by such a discussion, I respectfully request that we accede to Someone's wishes. Thank you, Roger
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Post by portia on Sept 3, 2005 16:57:44 GMT
Just a question, then, someone, are you offended when you see a nude Greek statue of a woman, or Botticelli's Venus, or Ingres' Harem girl, or the many thousands of nudes in art? Simple answer: yes. I have very strong moral values and I feel that there is a lot of other wonderful art I can appreciate without compromising those values. Please do not forget that I am 13. Now, can we please return to the subject of Sarah, rather than nudity? I never knew you were thirteen to begin with. On Sarah, I like her costumes and her stage sets. That's about it.
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